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Posted by bradleyg223 6 hours ago

Gemini 4 Argon(blog.google)
See also: Gemini 4 Argon (High): Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49914236
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jasonjmcghee 6 hours ago|
> 1M output token limit

what about input?

(Maybe I missed it)

MisterBiggs 1 hour ago||
This suggests that the model must be really fast? At Gemini 3.8 Flash speeds Argon would be outputting for 1hr 10mins
murkt 6 hours ago||
Input token limit is 1M for Gemini models for a long time. Haven’t they been the first with 1M input?
jasonjmcghee 6 hours ago||
Gemini 1.5 Pro claimed 10M input tokens before release.

And was 2M tokens IIRC after release.

There were also many rumors that Gemini 4 was going back to 2M. Just seems odd not to say what it is.

zergrush 5 hours ago||
Tough to compete against your own stake in Anthropic and they just filed for IPO. Not digging Google as a result of this, they are holding back.
xnx 5 hours ago|
Google's stake in Google is even bigger.
perarneng 5 hours ago||
Gemini 3.8 Flash is suprisingly fast, how fast is Argon compared to the other frontier models? Does google have a performance edge?
hocuspocus 4 hours ago|
It's also more token hungry than similar models, so does it really make a big difference in the end?

With GitHub Copilot pricing, I have found no practical reason to use Gemini 3.8 Flash vs GPT 5.6 Luna. And now I'll probably find no reason to use Gemini 4 when GPT 6.1 Sol is essentially as good and a lot cheaper.

landdate 1 hour ago||
I don't like AI, but it's very enjoyable for me to see my predictions on the success of gemini come to fruition.

I only use gemini, and while I don't use it for actually writing up code, I use it to help me troibleshoot my logic and help find bugs. Its easily the best model I have tried. And yes I am talking about 3.1 pro.

Also I have found gemini the only model to be the least likely to douse me in flattery, and will follow my pre built instructions to never output anything unless it can be directly sourced, pretty well. Chatgpt i tried for a bit and it was by far the worst thing I have ever used. I can understand why people develop psychosis when prompting chatgpt because it is disgustingly scyophantic to the point I was grossed out and felt like I just got done with some other type of self gratification.

Anyway, death to AI. All those who use, create, facilitate, or even just sit by and do nothing in the face of AI will perish in Hell.

tinyhouse 1 hour ago||
Google didn't release an impressive model since Flash 3. I tried Antigravity with the latest Gemini model for a week and it's the worse experience I had among more than 5 harnesses and models I tried (deeseek/pro, muse/spark-1.3, cc/opus, codex/sol, and Pi/sol). I haven't touched it since and canceled my pro subscription.

Then I tried Flash 3.8 for different tasks like OCR and others, and while in their benchmarks it crashes Flash 3, in my experiments I didn't notice much difference, often even Flash 3 performed better.

I hope Gemini 4 Argon is a real step up from that but we'll see once they release it. I'm rooting for Google and it's about time they deliver frontier intelligence, not just competitive prices.

imshaikot 5 hours ago||
Whatever it is - I'm not gonna use AGY again. I'd rather use claude-code-router instead, to give gemini-4 a shot.
jasonvorhe 4 hours ago||
> trusted cyber defenders

Sounds like a 90s early morning TV show.

I'm gonna pay attention to this once it ships.

robertwt7 4 hours ago||
What harness do you all use for Gemini models? Gemini CLI still sucks last time I tried. Maybe PI?
onlyrealcuzzo 4 hours ago||
agy had some issues with Flash 3.5, but has been pretty solid for me since Flash 3.8
w4yai 4 hours ago||
OMP is great with Gemini
sghiassy 5 hours ago|
I remember when every day a new modem baud rate was announced.

Cant wait for this AI hype to be over, so I can Terence this shizz as old school too

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