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Posted by Snowly 10 hours ago

StreetComplete on iOS is now in public beta(github.com)
485 points | 109 comments
Fnoord 7 hours ago|
Thank you, German government:

> Within the frame of Prototype Fund round 15 (March 2024 to August 2024), the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research sponsored Tobias Zwick to work on StreetComplete for iOS (see progress report)

And NLnet.

morsch 7 hours ago||
I was curious what they're currently sponsoring; here's another neat OSM project: https://osm2world.org/demo/?lat=52.5239396&lon=13.4104859&ra...

The current demo doesn't seem to cover many places worldwide, but what is there is really neat! To me this already looks better than modern city sim games, because they never seem to get the scale right, among other things.

Not sure what's stopping them from covering more places, since the idea presumably is to generate these tiles from existing OSM data. And in fact one of the easiest things to do with StreetComplete is add the height and type of a building.

Dig1t 1 hour ago||
More like: thank you German taxpayers. You are very generous for funding stuff like this for the benefit of the entire world.
toomuchtodo 3 minutes ago||
Just as they did with solar power. Thank you Germany!
JBiserkov 10 hours ago||
From the README:

StreetComplete is an easy to use editor of OpenStreetMap data available for Android. It can be used without any OpenStreetMap-specific knowledge. It asks simple questions, with answers directly used to edit and improve OpenStreetMap data. The app is aimed at users who do not know anything about OSM tagging schemes but still want to contribute to OpenStreetMap.

StreetComplete automatically looks for nearby places where a survey is needed and shows them as quest markers on its map. Each of these quests can then be solved on site by answering a simple question. For example, tapping on a marker may show the question "What is the name of this road?", with a text field to answer it. More examples are shown in the screenshots below.

The user's answer is automatically processed and uploaded directly into the OSM database. Edits are done in meaningful changesets using the user's OSM account. Since the app is meant to be used on a survey, it can be used offline and is economic with data usage.

amenghra 10 hours ago|
This is great! I wish more knowledge bases realized their barrier to entry. Eg even Wikipedia can be scary to edit the first time, if you want to present things like citations the right way.
kccqzy 9 hours ago||
Wikipedia is fine. Just make sure the content itself is good and appropriate for Wikipedia (such as no original research) and formatting citations is really least of your worries. When you do it wrong, some other editor will come and fix it.
nephihaha 6 hours ago|||
What is, and isn't, original research is quite often subjective.
dndkdkdkdk 5 hours ago||
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encom 6 hours ago|||
The stupidest Wikipedia argument I ever had, was having to cite the fact that bread is sold sliced.
Ardon 6 hours ago|||
You accidentally found a good example reason for the rule to exist. It's only relatively recently (2019-2021-ish) that Germany had more pre-slided bread move than unsliced loaves.

Therefore scoping the claim being made with citations actually does improve the wiki's accuracy.

You can say bread is sold pre-sliced accurately in a colloquial sense, but actually making a claim - as an encyclopedia inherently does - should carry information on how general a claim it actually is.

victorbjorklund 5 hours ago|||
Where I come from bread is normally not sold sliced. That is the exception.
atollk 4 hours ago||
I love the project idea, unfortunately I had bad experiences with the community. I had lots of fun walking my neighbourhood to perform quests in the app until like one or two other users started reverting my edits. I checked their comments and it was some weird pedantic arguments, like I shouldn't mark a street as not walkable because there is no official sign that prohibits walking; the fact that it's basically a highway with no sidewalk would not matter.

I ended up digging through the OSM wiki for definitions and rules to argue my case but in the end it felt very much like people on a power trip insistent on getting their way. It has ruined the fun in StreetComplete for me and I haven't participated since.

westnordost 3 hours ago||
This has been the most controversial quest in StreetComplete for a while. Following several discussions about it, I have now removed it for the upcoming version (i.e. v64.0).
bwnkl 3 hours ago|||
Just tag POI, they get stale so quickly. Everybody wants to tag the roads, but the real gap in many places is stale POI, or missing tags like opening hours. You'll get much less attention from these gatekeepers there too
apt-apt-apt-apt 4 hours ago|||
Aren't there many places where a highway with no sidewalk is the only walkable option? So if someone saw your not-walkable, they might think not walkable at all.

Seems like you guys had two different perspectives, both arguably right. Maybe it needs to be split into technically-walkable and comfortably-walkable layers.

Tempest1981 4 hours ago|||
Or add a "probability of injury or death" attribute for more granularity.
Ylpertnodi 3 hours ago||
Walkability based on time of day?
globular-toast 2 hours ago|||
The trouble is you start getting into subjectivity. Some people are comfortable with vie ferrate, many are not. The only thing you can do is tag with objective features that can be verified on the ground, including physical features and legal restrictions that are indicated by signage.
mrloop 2 hours ago|||
It’s tricky and maybe locale specific. A lot of roads near me have no pavement. You have to anticipate pedestrians, cyclists and horses on the road. Not at the same frequency as motor vehicles but not completely out of the ordinary.
technothrasher 4 hours ago|||
I actually feel better about making edits if I know people may revert them. I don't have the time or interest to dig in deeply to what exactly they want, so I normally wouldn't contribute. But if I know people double check and fix mistakes, I'm more likely to try and be helpful with the app.
zeeveener 3 hours ago||
"I feel more comfortable contributing to huge open source projects through the use of AI because I know that the maintainers will review my code for me and catch the issues I didn't"

I don't want to attribute anything to how you expressed that you feel, but I believe that this is what's known as "Deferral of Responsibility" and it can actually _negatively_ impact the quality of the data you are claiming to want to help curate.

Ajedi32 4 hours ago|||
If you were using StreetComplete I don't think you would have run into that. StreetComplete is very beginner friendly, and I don't think you can use it to mark a road as prohibiting pedestrians (which, as you discovered, is easy to get wrong if you don't understand what you're doing). You can use StreetComplete to mark whether there's a sidewalk or not, but I don't think anyone would object to you marking roads without sidewalks as not having a sidewalk.
Ajedi32 1 hour ago||
Nevermind, I was wrong. Looks like they added a quest for this recently, and they're removing it now because it the wording of the quest didn't really match the tags it was applying when you solved it.

I'd personally never seen that quest myself, but looking it the wording I can see why they're removing it.

globular-toast 2 hours ago||
It's not pedantic, it's just the way it is. For OSM to be valuable it needs to be consistent. There are many tags available but the "you can't walk here" tag is about whether you have a right to walk there. There are many highways you wouldn't want to walk on, but there are other tags to indicate that, like speed limit and presence of footpaths etc.
greggsy 10 hours ago||
Link to the actual TestFlight beta invite, since it wasn’t easily found on the linked page:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/K1u3eUU5

cbeach 8 hours ago|
Thanks. If anyone from StreetComplete is watching - please put the TestFlight link prominently on your page!
aquova 7 hours ago||
I wonder if it's by design. TestFlight apps have a hard user install limit, I remember waiting around for someone to leave previous betas to try them out.
ChrisMarshallNY 6 hours ago||
10,000.

I suspect one day at the top of HN's front page, will exhaust that.

That's a big reason I never mention my apps, here.

PetitPrince 10 hours ago||
StreetComplete is regularly cited whenever OpenStreetMap is mentioned on HN, and with excellent reason (this is a really good introduction to mapping with OSM). Congratulations to the team for the beta!
dewey 9 hours ago|
Indeed, I've been following the issue since it was mentioned here last time and was positively surprised about how quickly they progressed and got the first version shipped.
tbo47 9 hours ago||
I tried both StreetComplete and EveryDoor on my Android for a while.

I prefer EveryDoor. It's oriented more towards stores and things I'm interested in on the map.

EveryDoor exist on the Apple store too.

rafram 8 hours ago||
Every Door has a very confusing UI (lots of unlabeled buttons with unclear icons), unfortunately. I would love to use it, but even the web-based iD editor is so much easier to figure out!
raybb 5 hours ago||
I agree and I've been thinking about making something similar to Every Door but that takes advantage of AI to let you snap a photo or just send a voice note and then have the appropriate tags generated for review based on some very strict schemas. Would something like that be of interest to you?

Also open to feedback from anyone.

rafram 5 hours ago||
Sounds like hosted AI inference would be involved! Who's paying?
raybb 3 hours ago||
Me!
abdullahkhalids 7 hours ago|||
You can choose the type of questions you want to get asked about in StreetComplete. If you want to only enter store names and timings, then go into Settings and pick those.
westnordost 7 hours ago|||
Have you tried out the Things or Places overlay? Second button from the right at the top, looks like a cake.
SomeonesAccount 9 hours ago||
StreetComplete, as indicated by it's name, is about street data. Both are for contributing to OSM, but they are for different parts of OSM
remedan 8 hours ago|||
StreetComplete asks about things other than street data as well. For example, I get queries about operating hours of businesses.
blargpls 8 hours ago|||
The name probably just references the street in OpenStreetMap (OSM) as StreetComplete doesn't only collect street data as the sibling comment already noted.
alethic 3 hours ago||
I am incredibly excited for this -- while I love doing StreetComplete quests myself, the lack of iOS support has prevented me from grabbing my friends / random strangers and turning mapping my city into a social outing. I'm going to wait until it's officially available, but this is so wonderful... gosh, I can't wait. First style of quest I'm going to get ppl coordinated with is accurate hours on local businesses :^)
Loic 9 hours ago||
I have been using StreetComplete on Android thanks to a comment here some weeks ago. This is a really great tool, the barrier to contribute is brought to nearly zero.

The only one thing missing for me is a small history of my past contributions. At some point, I made a mistake and entered the wrong information (nothing terrible, the surface of a walkway, it was 30% one surface, 70% another, I gave the 30% value instead of what I think 70% would be better). I would have been glad to be able to quickly "revert" this contribution.

But else, a really great tool.

westnordost 8 hours ago||
There is an undo button on the lower left corner of the screen. Try it!

(It only shows edits made in the last 24 hours IIRC, but this limit is chosen quite arbitrarily. If there is a use case for it, it can be extended.)

PetitPrince 9 hours ago|||
If you go to the OSM website, you can sort of get list of all your modification by date in your profile: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/YOUR_USERNAME
rpozarickij 8 hours ago||
As someone who has enjoyed playing GeoGuessr-like games in the past, I find it a bit fun to enter/guess a completely random username and see what edits it has made. Interestingly, quite a few of them are concentrated in the Germany/Switzerland/Austria region (the US is popular too)

Edit: I had no idea that https://www.openstreetmap.org/history shows a list of the most recent changes in a sidebar, and there seems to be a similar trend too in terms of where OpenStreetMap is edited most often.

habi 2 hours ago|||
> I had no idea that https://www.openstreetmap.org/history shows a list of the most recent changes

Here are some more views:

- https://live.openstreetmap.fr/

- https://osm-in-realtime.jwestman.net/

- https://theplanetthinks.com/map

Ajedi32 4 hours ago|||
If you like this kind of thing, https://osmstats.neis-one.org/ has a lot more stats on edits.
precommunicator 9 hours ago|||
you can revert immediately in bottom left corner of StreetComplete, click on little revert arrow
progbits 7 hours ago||
> I think 70% would be better

You can actually split the road into multiple segments and answer each separately if you don't mind the extra effort. I think there should be something like "differs along the way" button which then asks you to pick a point where to cut.

thrownawaysz 9 hours ago||
>Known caveats (we are working on it):

>forms can only be canceled with the back gesture rather than clicking anywhere on the map

Well for me not even the back gesture works, I just have to force close the app if I don't want to answer a survey lol

dewey 9 hours ago|
It takes a bit of practice, but I got it to work after a few tries.
rgehan 8 hours ago||
I might be dense, but what's the back gesture exactly?

EDIT: Got it, swiping from left to right, starting from the very border of the screen. Not super intuitive but simple enough

Aachen 6 hours ago|||
That's Apple's native way of going back across macOS and iOS no? I'm not an Apple user and even I've come across this when handling a family member's device for a few minutes

Maybe Android's visual ←back button is the way to go after all instead of hoping someone will accidentally discover implicit gestures

Gigachad 1 hour ago||
It’s only intuitive when you see a page slide from the right to the left. Then you know you can go back to the previous page with a left to right slide. I’ve never seen it used to close a modal
ocdtrekkie 7 hours ago|||
I've been on iOS for like seven years and have never done this. But... hey, it works!
dewey 3 hours ago||
Do you already know the one where you swipe alongside the bottom of the screen from left to right, or right to left? If not it's probably one of my most used gestures to swipe between apps.
anotherpaul 10 hours ago|
StreetComplete is great. For me it made Openstreetmap much more approachable and now thanks to me there are a few more public toilets and one small road in osm. Especially with the road it was really interesting to see how quickly Google maps also took in this path. But they still also have the old road in the app. So it's linked but not 100%
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