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Posted by jasondavies 6 hours ago

Clef: Open-source decision models, and new RL fine-tuning platform(blog.cloudflare.com)
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cakoose 2 hours ago|
> This means that a human does not necessarily need to be in the loop for agentic decisions anymore — agents can programmatically gather context, make decisions, and take actions on tasks, or defer to a human when needed.

1. Humans are already not in the loop for lots of LLM agent actions. Isn't that just a function of how much you trust it and not some completely new paradigm? Am I missing something?

2. How can it gather context if it just outputs a single decision?

One guess: Maybe it's decision can be "gather more context and re-run me"? But an LLM can be much more expressive about what context it needs.

open592 5 hours ago||
2 years in stealth...
ksymph 5 hours ago||
With all these new Jev-like models popping up, has anyone actually started building anything with them yet? It's odd how quickly they've multiplied despite being relatively niche in their use cases, as far as I can tell. I suppose they're simple and cheap enough to make that it's a sort of 'why not' thing for a lot of these companies.
ranyume 3 hours ago||
I found the paragraph about how much networking data they have weird. I mean, if you already have all that data why didn't you train your models already using that? Why did you need clef to begin with?
croemer 4 hours ago||
Is there a Jev-like model I can run on my Mac? Something like Ollama? Or what's the best way to play with it? Is there a cheap/free API service eg on OpenRouter?
handfuloflight 4 hours ago||
https://github.com/NandhaKishorM/laya
croemer 3 hours ago||
Thanks for the tip! Set it up locally and it works!
okpatil 3 hours ago|||
We got you.

At0M: A 60M local Jev at 16 ms latency and 79% accuracy on Typed Decision

https://at0m.pienomial.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49920350

mpolichette 4 hours ago|||
Jumping on this, what about on-device?

I'd love an privacy first on-device model i could use in iOS.

okpatil 3 hours ago||
We got you. How would you use it though ? Through Apps ? Would love to discuss.

At0M: A 60M local Jev at 16 ms latency and 79% accuracy on Typed Decision

https://at0m.pienomial.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49920350

itsmeduncan 4 hours ago||
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okpatil 3 hours ago||
Why give cloudflare your data ?

At0M: A 60M local Jev at 16 ms latency and 79% accuracy on Typed Decision

https://at0m.pienomial.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49920350

kamranjon 2 hours ago||
This account was created only a couple weeks ago and seems to be spamming this closed model, seems it might be a bot?
okpatil 2 hours ago||
Actually it was created around 12 years ago. We just launched the model around 3 days ago.

Apologies if it is too much of a bother.

afzalive 3 hours ago|||
Well, for one, that one's not released as far as I can tell.
okpatil 3 hours ago||
It's open for benchmarking. V1 release next week.

Businesses are built on outliers. It doesn't make sense throwing your hard earned insights while paying them money to steal it.

Also, cloudflare https://robindev.substack.com/p/cloudflare-took-down-our-web...

Transformanshen 2 hours ago|||
It hasn't been released yet, and local versions aren't always convenient
okpatil 2 hours ago||
The same engine is is available as an evaluation API.

curl -s -X POST https://at0m.pienomial.com/decide/v0 \ -H 'Content-Type: application/json' \ -d '{ "state": "Charged twice for the same card payment this morning.", "questions": { "queue": {"type":"choice", "instructions":"Which team should handle this?", "criteria": {"billing":"invoices, charges, refunds", "technical":"outages, bugs, deploys", "fraud":"unauthorised or suspicious activity"}}, "urgent": {"type":"noul", "instructions":"Needs action today."}}, "email_id": "you@example.com"}'

If it fits your use case, you are welcome to use it.

When it is a rust standalone rust executable, as it is powering the API, it becomes just plug and play. No dependencies needed.

cootsnuck 3 hours ago|||
If it's 60M local, is it open source as well?
okpatil 3 hours ago||
It is a single rust executable, with model embedded inside of it. Current evaluation API is being run by the same.

We wanted to stress test the system before the V1 release.

dcastm 3 hours ago||
What’s the context window?
okpatil 3 hours ago||
32K
winddude 45 minutes ago||
Now we just need some new NER models.
jasfi 4 hours ago||
Related: an intelligence cache for decision model data: https://cachev.dev

I built this for my own needs, and thought others might find it useful too.

alex7o 4 hours ago||
Oldy enough I tired this 2h ago as I was testing jev on cf and was like oh this should be a better replacement but it takes 3s which is useless to me
6thbit 5 hours ago|
I wonder if a good usecase for this would be cloudflare's WAF rules. Give broader request context to the decider and let it pick type of challenge/block traffic directly.

Perhaps that may be too costly atm

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