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Posted by jasondavies 7 hours ago

Clef: Open-source decision models, and new RL fine-tuning platform(blog.cloudflare.com)
376 points | 151 commentspage 4
wakeywakeywakey 4 hours ago|
jev can ask jev if they should return investor money and shut down jev
winddude 2 hours ago||
Now we just need some new NER models.
ralusek 5 hours ago||
Just tested clef-flash vs jev:

- Jev/TypeSafe: 230 ms median, 254 ms mean

- Jev/OpenRouter: 237 ms median, 267 ms mean

- Clef Flash: 661 ms median, 806 ms mean

What gives?

MisterMunchkin 6 hours ago||
Imagine making your whole company on one model and then being cucked by everyone within a week. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it.
hansonkd 6 hours ago||
Yeah, these AI companies have some weird paradox that if they actually had a model that was super efficient and could arbitrage cost/intelligence of other inferior models, they would keep everything about it secret. If an intelligence research group had something groundbreaking, they would just dump their own money into the magic money machine.

Instead, to make up for the lack of economic viability of their models, they are forced to release publicly to get marketing to get others to pay based on hype.

globular-toast 5 hours ago||
If they were actually useful they'd just make money doing the useful thing and wouldn't even talk about models or AI.
RGS1811 6 hours ago||
If everyone else can spin up their own version of your product in under a month, there probably wasn't much product there.
zwaps 6 hours ago||
No mention of calibration. Is it just another llm finetune?
kflansburg 6 hours ago|
> Our post-training utilizes label-smoothed cross-entropy for valid schema outputs paired with a Brier loss to refine probability calibration.
esafak 6 hours ago||
I feel bad for the Jev guys. I wonder if they anticipated this much competition?
hbcdbff 7 hours ago||
“Urgency” of “yes”?
KieranGrosvenor 1 hour ago||
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