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Posted by suopspaces 11 hours ago

The Legend of von Neumann (1973) [pdf](gwern.net)
232 points | 135 commentspage 3
Johnyjohnson123 7 hours ago|
Shouldve bee the man instea dof chuck norris
bicepjai 9 hours ago||
I remember reading about how he was also a pioneer in using early supercomputers to predict weather patterns in meteorology. I never thought to combine supercomputers and weather before.
chihuahua 5 hours ago|
How else would you predict the weather? By observing a frog in a terrarium?
bicepjai 2 hours ago||
Ouch that was harsh Doggy. This is what we get for not using llm to post replies :) Corrected: I never thought first use of supercomputers were for meteorology, which was spearheaded by him.
Betelbuddy 10 hours ago||
Hungarian high school science fair projects...
jan_m_savage 9 hours ago||
for a chance to experience his mind, I recommend his book: "The computer and the brain".
simianwords 9 hours ago||
OT: I found this style of writing extremely clear and readable. I wonder what is different about this author’s writing. There is zero pretension and just exists to impart information. But if that’s the case why do I hate the writing in Wikipedia?
gjm11 8 hours ago||
Because Paul Halmos was an exceptionally good writer. (I greatly enjoyed his "automathography" called "I want to be a mathematician", though it will probably appeal significantly less to people who aren't mathematicians themselves. See also his article "How to write mathematics" at https://www.math.toronto.edu/mgsa/assets/teaching-seminar/ho....)

The average Wikipedia contributor (even ignoring the possibility that they might be a robot) is not an exceptionally good writer, because very few people are exceptionally good writers, because that's what "exceptionally" means.

stuxnet79 6 hours ago|||
Agreed. This was an enjoyable read. I hope in this new era of lazy LLM vomit someone will take it as an example of what clear exposition looks like.
grougnax 8 hours ago||
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chk84us 9 hours ago||
Why does it start with page number 382?
ketanmaheshwari 9 hours ago||
The PDF is an excerpt from a journal issue: The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 80, No. 4 (April 1973), pp. 382–394.
LastTrain 9 hours ago||
It's an article in a journal
runlaszlorun 9 hours ago||
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bluecheese452 10 hours ago||
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leto_ii 10 hours ago||
Why make it about his ethnicity?
dilap 8 hours ago|||
Why not? Von Neumann himself did, in a lighthearted way.

> I told Banach about an expression Johnny had used with me in Princeton before stating some non-Jewish mathematician's result, "Die Goim haben den folgenden satz beweisen" (The goys have proved the following theorem). Banach, who was pure goy, thought it was one of the funniest sayings he had ever heard. He was enchanted by its implication that if the goys could do it, then Johnny and I ought to be able to do it better. Johnny did not invent this joke, but he liked it and we started using it.

https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2021/12/adventures-of-mathemat...

archontes 10 hours ago||||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists)

The Martians (of which von Neumann is usually the most regarded) were mostly Hungarian jews. It's a point on which some people have mused, so it's easy for the thought to point in that direction when von Neumann is brought up.

chasd00 10 hours ago||
from the wiki > Leo Szilard jokingly suggested that Hungary was a front for aliens from Mars.

I had a girlfriend once who joked that Elon Musk was an alien and needs help developing the technology to get home.

archontes 10 hours ago|||
By all means, let's let him.
gf000 9 hours ago|||
I get your point, but..

Please do NOT disrespect Leo Szilard and von Neumann by comparing their greatness to a lowly scammer

Betelbuddy 9 hours ago|||
Compared to Elon, people of this thread are the Staff at the Institute for Advanced Studies...
chasd00 9 hours ago|||
oh i wasn't comparing anyone to anyone else, only pointing out the humor.
bluecheese452 2 hours ago||||
Because that was literally mentioned in the opening paragraph. Jfc hn. Take it up with the article not me.
freecodeio 10 hours ago|||
"if x person is y, and x person has a specific trait, then me being also y means I have the that specific trait"

In other words, if you don't have a dog, you're gay. (If you know the comic)

ckrapu 10 hours ago|||
Interestingly, (and independent of the ethnic and cultural background he grew up in) the article said he was a Roman Catholic by the time he expired.
_diyar 9 hours ago||
If I remember correctly he converted on his death bed due to his read on Pascal’s wager.
gradus_ad 10 hours ago||
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brcmthrowaway 8 hours ago|
He was good for the time, but Jane Street and Anthropic have hundreds of equivalent intellects working for them.
adrian_b 7 hours ago||
That may very well be true, but none of those has published anything of comparable importance and quality as any of the many publications of von Neumann.

Whether some people have really superior intellects is completely irrelevant for the rest of the humans unless they distribute to the others some useful products of their intellect.

Von Neumann is one of the hundreds of people from the past who have left a priceless intellectual heritage to me and to the remainder of the mankind, so I am indebted and grateful to them.

I have no reason to feel any debt or gratitude to any of the employees of OpenAI or Anthropic.

Jane Street has published a few useful articles, so I have some gratitude towards them, but none of those was even remotely similar in importance to any page written by von Neumann.

sillysaurusx 7 hours ago||
It's an interesting discussion topic. If we have people today who are just as smart and industrious as Neumann, why aren't they making a worldwide impact? Or, if they are, why is the attribution going to the companies they work for instead of them?

It raises questions like, is it even possible to work for a company while getting credit for world-changing results?

And it implies that at any point in time, there might be thousands of Neumanns in the world, and that initial conditions matter a lot more than ability.

brcmthrowaway 7 hours ago||
Golden handcuffs.. the final victory (and tragedy) of American capitalism.
azan_ 8 hours ago|||
Kudos for posting such a good inflammatory comment.
fourseventy 5 hours ago||
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