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Posted by speckx 2 hours ago

Everyone's Packing Up(widdershins.verja.net)
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ramon156 55 minutes ago|
I spent a lot of my time on the internet because I was lonely in my teens and these connections were exciting. I learned software dev because I was a nerd that loved math and loved the concept of building software, having complete control on how it's done. That was the concept I signed up for.

Software dev today is sitting in front of a prompt bar, sometimes checking the IDE, sometimes some DevOps, but nothing about it excites me anymore. Even hobby projects are dull because they're done in mere days. Choosing not to use LLMs has little to no reward imo.

I'm slowly moving away from software dev because the rose tinted glasses I saw the job as are shattering

mjr00 37 minutes ago||
> Even hobby projects are dull because they're done in mere days.

This is only true if your definition of "hobby project" is limited to "initial prototype with basic functionality and a generic corporate-looking landing page".

Yeah, a lot of tools that would have made fun weekend projects can now be one-shot by Claude and aren't even worth sharing, because someone who needs that functionality can just use Claude too. But you can accomplish so much more now. Someone just did a hobby project to reverse engineer NVidia drivers and make them work on Windows XP. Dream bigger!

BatFastard 24 minutes ago|||
I agree dream bigger!

If it gets done too fast with LLM you need to think bigger.

lightbendover 1 minute ago||
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socializer 10 minutes ago|||
Indeed, your half-broken prototypes that are not worth sharing with the world can be now 10x the scale.

But seriously, I have not seen anyone get far with vibecoded hobby projects. The problem is that removing the pain, the frustration, and the triumph also removes any emotional attachment you have to the project to keep it alive. If it's not making you money, if you're not learning anything, and if everyone can vibecode the same thing... well, it still gives you some short-term rush - as if by magic, your words birthed a piece of software - but then what? Why keep going? Why fix bugs, why keep improving it? If you look back at the past several months of "Show HN"-style posts, it's not pretty.

lightbendover 3 minutes ago||
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soundworlds 42 minutes ago|||
Which is interesting, because I've always been a musician first and software dev as a side interest, and I feel like LLMs have made the software iteration loop fast enough that it feels as exciting as making music for me.

I wonder if there's some blend of software and other interest that might rekindle that novelty for you?

laxd 18 minutes ago|||
Robots in my garage doing woodwork would be nice. They'd be auto-orchestrated by all the spywares and spydevices already in place - and who knowns more about me and my ideas than me. And I don't have to learn anything.
esikich 32 minutes ago||||
Probably not. They made "smart nerd" their whole personality and that is now being challenged, hurts the ego.
altmanaltman 24 minutes ago|||
> Which is interesting, because I've always been a musician first and software dev as a side interest, and I feel like LLMs have made the software iteration loop fast enough that it feels as exciting as making music for me.

I don't quite get what you mean by this. Music is a form of expression; it is supposed to be effortless once you are good at it, but software (if we go by a strict definition) is not about expression but about building reliable and efficient systems. Like what do you mean exactly

soundworlds 14 minutes ago||
I am currently exploring music-software-combined-artifacts, and there is a lot of aesthetic and other design taste decisions that go into what I am choosing to make with AI assistance. It feels like self-expression at some level to me - e.g. https://johnoestmannmusic.com/0009-when-we-become-discoverer...
hollowturtle 38 minutes ago|||
> Even hobby projects are dull because they're done in mere days. Choosing not to use LLMs has little to no reward imo. I'm slowly moving away from software dev because the rose tinted glasses I saw the job as are shattering

Try solving a very hard problem or a very good game. Or at least publish some very good polished software, they all sucks! This really is a paradox, all this doomerism and AI that has solved “coding” and it’s “very good now” and we don’t mot only have not good software, but it’s getting worse! Good lord how the heck we get out of this situation?

eggbrain 52 minutes ago||
Everyone says they are packing up. But most of the people I’ve seen complain either are still on the site they complain about, or left briefly just to realize that other sites aren’t any better and came back.
xanderlewis 45 minutes ago|
I’ve left everything (Facebook, Instagram, I’ve even deleted the YouTube app from my phone, etc.) apart from HN. I occasionally look at Twitter, but only when someone sends me a link.

So there are some counterexamples.

jibalt 35 minutes ago|||
Non sequitur. "Everyone is" is nonsense, "most aren't" is correct. Individuals who are: irrelevant, as that was already implied.

P.S. The response misses the point, going for personal rudeness instead of reasoning.

xanderlewis 24 minutes ago||
I’m just providing another data point; no need to get your knickers in a twist.
sodapopcan 31 minutes ago|||
Me too, except for YouTube. I'm still hopelessly addicted to YouTube, but I'm working on it. I also ditched my smartphone eight months ago and going strong, zero desire to return to it.

Seriously, fuck all this shit. Some people love to say that love of the old web is just nostalgia and they are free to think what they want.

freetonik 25 minutes ago||
YouTube sure is doing its part to make YouTube less and less appealing.
sodapopcan 23 minutes ago|||
It really is!

My plan is to sell my laptop so that I only have a desktop and can't just watch willy-nilly wherever I am in my apartment. But it's a tough trigger to pull.

xanderlewis 22 minutes ago|||
I’ve learned a huge amount from YouTube and am very thankful for its existence. It’s the absolute insistence on showing me idiotic ‘shorts’ that made me leave. I didn’t want to.
sodapopcan 20 minutes ago||
Ya, that's the problem... I've learned so much from it... I'm torn.
nickelpro 46 minutes ago||
[citation-needed]

People don't loudly announce they're not going anywhere and not changing anything, of course you only perceive the ones who do otherwise.

It doesn't mean they there's a wide spread trend.

sodapopcan 30 minutes ago|
I don't have a citation, but as hyperbole goes, it's a growing trend no matter how slow or small.
jibalt 36 minutes ago||
This sort of post is ridiculous ... the vast majority of people are not "packing up", and people are constantly arriving.
bunderbunder 1 hour ago||
Lately I’ve found myself thinking about BBSes for the first time in ages.

Online used to feel like an actual place.

nickradford 50 minutes ago||
I stopped using Reddit after Apollo got blocked, well, I had it side-loaded for a while too with AltStore, but that stopped working
redanddead 37 minutes ago|
Reddit went to absolute shit

Enshittification takes so much from us

pupppet 26 minutes ago||
Yahoo never should have given up their human-curated index, we need it now more than ever.
blfr 57 minutes ago||
Is this a real trend or like that time everyone abandoned Twitter for Mastodon?
VCFundedGenYer 55 minutes ago||
Mastodon is absolutely thriving. I get you want to be a contrarian but the fediverse is loaded with people who left X and never went back.
murderfs 52 minutes ago|||
This doesn't look like a particularly thriving platform: https://mastodon-analytics.com/#:~:text=Mastodon%20Active%20...
nvme0n1p1 51 minutes ago||
I hope one day someone calls one of my projects a failure because I only have a few hundred thousand daily users.
serf 45 minutes ago||
just don't compete against facebook and twitter.

mastodon has failed to capture the audience numbers of the products it sought to compete against, you can say that without criticizing the product.

ceejayoz 44 minutes ago|||
> mastodon has failed to capture the audience numbers of the products it sought to compete against

I really don't think that was ever the goal.

nvme0n1p1 35 minutes ago|||
They never wanted to capture every single user (have you seen the people on twitter? who would want to deal with that???)

They sought to carve out a targeted subset of users and did so successfully.

Life is about more than numbers, you know. Would you call your local steakhouse a failure because they're not putting up the numbers McDonalds does?

ryukafalz 43 minutes ago||||
Can confirm, I'm one of those people. I mean I had an account on a Mastodon instance before that, but it became my primary social platform when Twitter got taken over.
jibalt 29 minutes ago|||
non sequitur. The point is that "everyone" left Twitter is nonsense; no one said that no one did. Mastodon and Bluesky are alternatives, but Twitter is still dominant despite all the Nazis there.
kg 44 minutes ago||
I know a considerable number of people who abandoned Twitter for either Mastodon or Bluesky and haven't gone back. It probably depends on what circles you run in. There are some people I know who keep Twitter accounts because it's used for professional networking, for example, but they're in specific fields.
ToucanLoucan 41 minutes ago||
People (correctly) bag on Bluesky's mod team (it'd be awesome if they just stopped doing boneheaded shit but that's a complaint as old as USENET...) but I have thriving communities there. I post, I respond to posts. I don't get 17k likes but I don't especially want that anymore. I like small social media and Bluesky delivers.
neitherboosh 37 minutes ago||
This post has a badge that says “written by a human not by AI”… but I noticed a lot of LLMisms, and Pangram says it’s 100% AI generated. The post also cites AI as a reason for everyone leaving everything…some kind of weird irony here :/
jibalt 32 minutes ago|
Pangram is utterly useless.

P.S. The response is non sequitur. I already noted that TFA is ridiculous, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Pangram produces a very high number of false positives.

ThePinion 24 minutes ago||
So was the article. It was more of a shower thought with no real thought. Seeing a lot of these two paragraph blog posts on HN a lot lately. Do we have so much AI fatigue that it's shareworthy to post a paragraph allegedly written by a human?
UncleOxidant 27 minutes ago|
Probably more like "A lot of people want to pack up"
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