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Posted by privacyisntdead 2 hours ago

Turn off Apple Intelligence on macOS 27 and get its disk space back(github.com)
195 points | 103 comments
Grombobulous 4 minutes ago|
I no longer have a Mac as I’ve moved over to Linux, but my iOS device leaves me very frustrated that I can no longer disable this AI stuff with a simple toggle.

It seems insane given that Apple’s competitors (Microsoft, Firefox, probably others) moved toward a global AI switch to make the choice easy for their customers.

_pdp_ 2 minutes ago||
I don't understand why you would want to remove well-balanced and relatively small local-inference models that ship with every mac.

Sure, not frontier levels but fine for basic tasks and they are off-the-cloud.

ryandrake 40 minutes ago||
Reminds me of all the de-crufting you've always needed to do when you install Windows. Looks like we've gotten to the point on macOS too, where you need to run third party scripts on a new OS installation to gain back control of your system resources and remove unwanted crapware.
2muchcoffeeman 27 minutes ago||
On windows you got garbage like trial versions of Blah software.

This is a fully functioning feature that people don’t like for what ever reason.

Grombobulous 1 minute ago|||
Automatically downloading AI models into disk space with no user-facing way to turn it off is especially hostile considering Apple as vendor of both the OS and the hardware is the same entity that overcharges for non-upgradable SSD storage in their machines.
isityettime 11 minutes ago||||
People have been doing the same thing with Cortana on Windows for ages. "Debloating" tools don't primarily target OEM add-ons like free trials of this or that; they very much target Windows components.
hansonkd 1 minute ago||
Cortana was heavily integrated with bing. It was essentially a way to get people to use bing.
ramijames 6 minutes ago||||
I just don't use it. I'm on a laptop with 500gb. I don't want to lose on so much disk space for a feature I won't use.
2III7 19 minutes ago||||
Fully functional feature consuming multiple gigabytes of storage and has questionable functional value. Maybe people don't want bloated AI crap on their desktops?
2muchcoffeeman 15 minutes ago||
I’m not making any judgement on whether you should or should not like the feature.

I’m stating that the Windows problem was very different. Your machine would be loaded up with software for various vendors that the manufacturer did deals with to lower the price of the machine. They were all trials.

nalekberov 10 minutes ago||||
"fully functioning feature" -- more like full functioning forceware/crapware which holds significant space.

so it's not for "what ever reason", it's quite a reason to reject this.

burnte 6 minutes ago||||
On Windows there are lots of fully features features/applications people turn off. It's not all trial versions and it's disingenuous to pretend it's just that.
dsego 16 minutes ago|||
IE is also a fully functioning feature, so are snap packages.
gchamonlive 10 minutes ago|||
This will always be the case with proprietary software, invariably. Just a matter of time.
azinman2 32 minutes ago|||
What makes you call it crapware? The new spotlight search (from Siri) is amazing and super convenient.
adastra22 29 minutes ago|||
I don’t want to make my search more ambiguous. That is the opposite of what I want.
lynndotpy 18 minutes ago||||
The new spotlight search replaced what I previously used, made it function worse for what I used it for, and uses 30GiB of already very scarce disk space.

For many users, it is a strict downgrade that was forced on them against their consent.

therein 17 minutes ago|||
Can it now consistently find things in /Applications when I type the full name?

That's revolutionary.

Smalltalker-80 30 minutes ago||
True that, win11debloat is 'mandatory' nowadays. The time that OS makers competed with each other with features users actually wanted is long gone, alas.. This is why Linux is now making more serious momentum. Even a long term 'Microsoftie' like myself is now standing on the brink of making the leap. Just a bit more Steam compatibility first please...
skydhash 13 minutes ago||
I got an old disk with a win10 installation on it. It lasted only three days. It was because of all the pinging from notifications and all the CTA buttons (like Sign in to Onedrive in the settings). It felt like a minefield where a click can blow your whole setup.

I wipe the whole thing and installed Fedora.

I could tolerate windows if I needed a particular set of software on it, but no way that I could use it as a daily driver.

hypfer 1 hour ago||
This is stuff on the level of O&O ShutUp10. Which is a good tool, but also, a Windows tool for very (back in the day) Windows-specific nonsense.

What's going on at Apple product strategy?

userbinator 1 hour ago||
It's interesting to see more customisation tools appearing for macOS, as just a few years ago I was looking for ways to strip down the OS (CI related), and while such info was widely available in the Windows world, to the point that customised "distros" are available, it was nearly nonexistent for macOS; only the Hackintosh community had some useful articles on how things worked.

Could the rise of LLMs and vibe-coding have motivated people who otherwise wouldn't bother?

gumby 1 hour ago|||
It’s hard to strip it down these days as the OS image and its core, immutable filesystem cannot be edited. Admittedly this helps keep idiots from destroying their filesystem and also blocks many malware attacks on the system, but, for example. I don’t believe you can delete the chess program.
userbinator 13 minutes ago|||
and its core, immutable filesystem cannot be edited

That's a half-truth at best; I can just open the disk image in a hex editor if nothing else understands the format.

Hackintoshers have figured out how to add/modify drivers etc. It's certainly not without obstacles, but that's still very far from "impossible". If I remember correctly, you need to re-snapshot the FS and tell the bootloader to boot from it.

(And necessarily, ignoring the countless cries of "it can't be done" was how I was able to accomplish my goal... I knew that it was possible since I could edit any bit of the FS; figuring out which files I could remove and patch was the hard and undocumented part.)

dylan604 21 minutes ago|||
This is one of those things where you have to ask yourself "how do you get it so wrong?". I get the idea of protecting from malware/self-harm, but to not allow removal of such a pointless app is just befuddling. At least Microsoft trying to say that Explorer was core to the OS, but a chess app? I never did buy into Explorer being core until the day I accidentally pasted an URL into File Explorer's path and it rendered the webpage. I don't understand why someone thought that was necessary to allow to happen, but there it was, core to the OS.
skydhash 7 minutes ago||
I think it’s because all those apps use core technologies so their bundle size is tiny. You hide them and never think about them (like the old windows media player). Most of windows optional features are very much in your face all the time.
jojobas 38 minutes ago|||
Why would you expect Apple X strategy to be different from Microsoft X strategy?
neya 38 minutes ago||
Apple was late to the AI party. Usually, that's their strategy - let everyone else innovate, when the ecosystem is mature, steal it and claim it as their own. That worked well for decades. But, the pace of AI is too fast to pull this trick off again, so now they're in panic mode. So they do what every shitty corporate does - shove AI down everyone's throat, whether they want it or not. Which is ironically against their founder's motto - build stuff that people want.

I'm not sure there were enough people looking at finder and thinking "I wish I could talk to an AI to open a file on my desktop which I could've simply double clicked on anyway"

rsx88 8 minutes ago||
The enshittification of Apple is going on. Debloating Windows, degoogling Android. MacOS/iOS was still decent a few months ago. And now they've put banners on iPhones, real advertisements trying to force you to subscribe to Apple This, Apple That. And you can't close the banner. Now they remove the option for you to remove the models. And Apple storage space is darn expensive. Now we have to use a 3rd-party tool to debloat Apple's OS too? To hell with that. Is this really the year to go full-time Linux? Steve must be squirming down there with the enshittification of Apple too. Let's shove AI (SI is different stuff, Bozo) down your throats. Jesus Christ. I suppose that's what the board members want. More revenue. Maybe it's time to start parting ways with Apple if they keep it like that. Corporate greed has taken over and user experience has gone down the drain.
Noaidi 17 minutes ago||
Ihave three screenshots on my iPhone taken two weeks apart. I have one point Apple Intelligence, while it’s turned off mind you, takes up four gigs of space, then it disappeared, and now it’s back to four gigs again. Can someone please explain this to me?
the_arun 1 hour ago||
How do we believe this tool? Is it secure?
nujabe 31 minutes ago|
It’s open source, go find out and report back.
pyaamb 1 hour ago||
Is there a way to do this manually?
detourdog 30 minutes ago|
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-250012366
neuroelectron 58 minutes ago|
Not a lot of good reasons to upgrade to 27. They removed Rosetta and you have to reinstall that if you want it. So is MacOS turning into something that more regular people are going to have to maintain in the future or end up with something like Windows 11?

I switched to MacOS 3 years ago because of Microsoft and the writing on the wall seems to say I got another year left before I'm forced into Linux. Because if I have to maintain my own OS then I might as well install Linux and do it once.

azinman2 31 minutes ago||
Nearly everything is improved and the new Siri is great.
dylan604 20 minutes ago||
Unless you're not running a M-series chip, then it's not really improving anything
halJordan 54 minutes ago||
If a temporary tool being retired is the reason you switch, then wait until you find out how many LOC are being deleted from the linux kernel this year and next
jonathanstrange 42 minutes ago||
It's not a temporary tool for people who need it.
2muchcoffeeman 21 minutes ago||
The alternative is maintaining backwards compatibility forever and then everyone will complain about some weird behaviour that still happens to retain that compatibility.

Keep in mind this is the second time they have switched arches and the second round of complaints of Rosetta removal.

idontwantthis 13 minutes ago||
I think they have a lot more reason to keep it around this time. PowerPC was a dead-end and x86 is most definitely sticking around.
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