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Posted by tosh 7 hours ago

Our approach to EU text provenance rules(openai.com)
57 points | 42 commentspage 2
pembrook 1 hour ago|
Good to know, will exclusively move to Chinese models for non-coding tasks.

The idea that producing text with AI needs to be watermarked as if it's a crime by default is backwards nonsense.

To me this would actually be a counter signal.

If you're NOT primarily writing with AI (at least mildly being informed by all of human knowledge distilled), then I will assume your ideas are emotional opinion-based nonsense, like most comments on hackernews, including my own.

greatgib 4 hours ago||
My personal opinion is that they cheated evaluations to be able to release this pretending that it has no meaningful impact.

Otherwise, I don't see any logical explanation that some of their benchmark results would be higher when watermarked. Except if benchmark results are so unstable that they are an useless metric.

yorwba 3 hours ago||
As long as variance is nonzero, you won't get the exact same result twice for the same benchmark, so one of the numbers has to be higher and the other lower. If watermarking has no effect on the distribution (by construction, it should have no effect), that's a 50% chance the watermarked model gets the higher number. In this case, it happened 5 out of 8 times, which is hardly unusual.
Y_Y 4 hours ago||
I agree that if they're so noisy they need to average over more runs, but maybe they didn't feel the need to bother.
aenis 4 hours ago||
Another cookie consent-grade success of the EU.
zetanor 3 hours ago|
The near-ubiquitous malicious compliance that took place during the implementation of GDPR (i.e., displaying consent modals instead of just not sending visitors' personal information to 93 third party services) at least had the benefit of bringing to light just how much web service providers view their users as things to be bought and sold. I doubt that text watermarking will result in much of anything at all, besides additional expense.
Aerroon 1 hour ago|||
Is https://www.europa.eu also malicious compliance? Because what on earth does the EU commission need a cookie pop up for?

And yet there it is. Maybe the law is flawed?

aucisson_masque 43 minutes ago||
There are YouTube videos embedded in some eu pages.
aenis 2 hours ago||||
I keep saying: its worse than that. Companies that actually do not need to ask for consent do - because their compliance departments prefer to play it safe. My current employer genuinely does not share any data with anyone, the only stuff we process is for our own technical purposes, very well within the remit of GDPR. But year after year, a chief data privacy officer after chief data privacy officer, I lose the battle for "lets get rid of the obnoxious cookie consent banner, we dont need it". All big companies are like that.

And of course, cookies are no longer needed for invasive tracking, fingerprinting, and data disaggregation. Been this for years. But hey, bureaucracies never backtrack, so we will have the cookie consent until the thermal death of the universe.

Boltgolt 1 hour ago||
> And of course, cookies are no longer needed for invasive tracking, fingerprinting, and data disaggregation. Been this for years. But hey, bureaucracies never backtrack, so we will have the cookie consent until the thermal death of the universe.

The exact method of tracking doesn't matter. Under GDPR you have to ask for consent no matter the technology used. So as long as tracking every single movement remains the norm, we will have consent banners

mjfisher 20 minutes ago||
Worth knowing cookies are a special case and are covered under the ePrivacy directive, which is distinct from the wider GDPR legislation and specifically deals with storing tracking information in a user's browser.
iririririr 3 hours ago|||
This is also malicious compliance.

The whole effort started as a way to pin point which work openAI stole from! Now they are redirecting the dicussion to "our sources are magic. let's talk about who is copying from that magic".

All the controversy about this being pointless, is on purpose. They are pushing the pointless thing as a distraction and we keep discussing how pointless it is. no wonder.

richwater 3 hours ago|
Just make the models worse for the EU. Don't accept this nonsense that's holdingg back actual work and progress.