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Posted by speckx 3 hours ago

Meta and Microsoft take steps to reduce employee usage of Claude AI(www.rswebsols.com)
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jiraiyasarutobi 2 hours ago|
Muse Spark 1.3 Max is quite good for almost all of my usecases and its cheap.
cute_boi 1 hour ago|
isn't it cheap till if you allow them to use your data?
jiraiyasarutobi 1 hour ago|||
You mean the contributor tier? I think it turns out cheaper even without that.
kridsdale1 1 hour ago|||
That’s fine if you are working on Meta source.
bpodgursky 2 hours ago||
Limited to $10,000/employee/month lol. This is just to cut off a few people doing absurd things with low ROI. Don't read too much into it.
sublimefire 3 minutes ago||
From what I could see these numbers would usually be hit by people doing vast amounts of analysis over files, they would usually rock up tokens very fast. Then you combine this with the selection of Opus models which are much more expensive internally than GPT ones and the limit gets reached quite quickly.
whiplash451 2 hours ago|||
OTOH "$105 million to Claude Code over a 28-day timeframe"

$1.4B/year is not a small number, even at Meta's scale, when it's money going to a competitor

smy20011 2 hours ago||
That's what you got from 200$ claude sub.
techdmn 2 hours ago||
I assume that at shops that both employ engineers and are developing an AI product, internal usage is not about improving productivity, it is about improving the offering. Of course they want employees to use internal tools.
rietta 2 hours ago||
Maybe I am slow here and everyone is using Claude with credits at max use. But isn't Claude Teams like $25/month per developer for ordinary use? What the heck of these guys doing that makes it get that phenomenally expensive for their use cases? These are presumably well capable engineers who started to use this as an aid right not just throw Fable at everything and loop to the max?
science4sail 2 hours ago||
You should read Gas Town: https://steve-yegge.medium.com/welcome-to-gas-town-4f25ee16d...

There are people out there building AI building orchestrators for orchestrators for orchestrators for agents. The author of that blog post later claimed to be spending the equivalent of $122k/month on tokens (by rotating their usage between 21 accounts).

As far as I can tell, the only thing that this level of spend has produced so far is an indie 2D RPG video game.

tom_ 1 hour ago|||
The RPG long predates Gas Town.

Regarding Gas Town, see also https://yegge.ai/essays/the-shape-of-things-to-come/ :

> Gas Town was intended to be reusable, but I only ever wound up using it to build itself. Gas Town fell apart at the seams with Opus 4.7. Up through 4.6 it was working brilliantly. With 4.7 we saw the introduction of the "just two more things" tic, which prevented Opus from ever converging on being ready to do real work—it always wanted to fiddle with Gas Town itself. The Opus tic never went away, so Gas Town effectively burned down. It had other problems, too, but 4.7 was the final straw

I hadn't seen the $122K figure mentioned previously. $87K for API-style pricing was mentioned in the above post, and ~$2,800/mo for multiple Claude Max accounts:

> My solution has been to create a token tap on $200 Max accounts, which for me work out to ~30x the list-price equivalent. So in reality I'm only spending about $2800/month out of pocket for my $87k "worth" of tokens. Though that number keeps growing alarmingly.

(He never seemed to provide numbers for Gas Town initially, whether what he paid, or what the API-style pricing would have charged, so it was interesting to get some actual figures. Sounds like a lot to me, but if he's genuinely getting multiple people's-worth of work out of it, then...)

(Also in the article: a little morsel of Emacs content, which was nice to see.)

nekooooo 31 minutes ago||
that person seriously seemed mentally ill and it's very suspicious that we never get to see the outputs.
tom_ 2 minutes ago||
He's always come across to me as at least a little bit like this! His AI stuff doesn't feel enormously out of character to me. (If you hadn't encountered him before Gas Town - he's been posting online for like 20+ years, got a Wikipedia page and everything, so you can find his back catalogue and judge for yourself.)
meindnoch 1 hour ago||||
Is the game even good?
chroma_zone 1 hour ago|||
Correction: maintenance of an indie 2D RPG game that had existed for a few decades already.
dannyw 1 hour ago|||
If you’re a large company you gotta pay API rates basically. Team plans exclude a lot of governance/IdP stuff and have a cap on seats too.
vecter 1 hour ago|||
They almost certainly pay for tokens, which is absurdly expensive
catchnear4321 2 hours ago||
Team plan has a seat limit.
raincom 2 hours ago||
Large companies will take the same route as Meta and Microsoft. Small players will go for local LLMs with the right hardware.
amir734jj 1 hour ago||
At Microsoft, the recommendation is to use cheaper models for tasks that don't need frontier models. I personally use Lua and it's more than capable for complex problems.
einpoklum 1 hour ago||
That's a good start. Now they just need to limit use of CoPilot, OpenAI and MetaAI and they'll really be getting somewhere.
antisthenes 1 hour ago||
That's a shame. Microsoft's W11 quality disaster might have actually been improved with a frontier model.

Or maybe not, but the bar was set pretty low that going all-in on AI might have been worth it.

hgoel 1 hour ago|
It doesn't say they're cutting back on OpenAI usage.

To me this seems mostly related to the way Anthropic showed the level at which they monitor sessions, plus wanting to limit how much training data they're directly feeding into a company that competes with their own products/investments.

waffletower 2 hours ago||
I should probably know more about Claude's TOS, but it is probably a mistake for these companies not to leverage the plausible deniability of their usage and turn it into a massive distillation resource for their own models.
efields 1 hour ago|
GLHF
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