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Posted by ilreb 17 hours ago

Cloudflare acquires Deno(deno.com)
1133 points | 580 commentspage 12
collide6 12 hours ago|
Holy shit, I used to work on the Workers Runtime Team and I'm surprised!
tonymet 10 hours ago||
how about the IP? will the future open source project be DENO or will they have to come up with another permutation.

(I've trademarked ENDO , feel free to DM me for a license)

xyst 11 hours ago||
can yall stop selling out to cloudflare? The continued consolidation of the internet/tech is wild.
jpmonette 15 hours ago||
huhyyy
cyanydeez 16 hours ago||
is this Cloudflare signalling they're going to hard pivot to being an AI company?
notnullorvoid 16 hours ago|
No if that were true they wouldn't be stopping development of Deno, which as it stands sits in the best position for codemode given it's granular sandboxing.
kentonv 16 hours ago||
workerd has also had granular sandboxing all along... I actually coined the term "code mode" in this blog post:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/code-mode/

notnullorvoid 15 hours ago|||
Kind of hard to figure out what sandboxing controls are available given the lack of docs.

Given it's server focus though, I'd be very surprised if it was as good as Deno for giving agents a local code sandbox.

kentonv 14 hours ago||
Docs: https://developers.cloudflare.com/dynamic-workers/

Also another blog post from when the feature became generally available: https://blog.cloudflare.com/dynamic-workers/

I agree it would be an awkward choice for an agent that runs as a local application, but the trend I think is towards agents running more and more on servers.

guipsp 14 hours ago||
Servers, sure. Not necessarily your servers tho
kentonv 11 hours ago||
workerd is open source, you can run it on your own servers.
cyanydeez 15 hours ago|||
hard pivot to ai confirmed.
kentonv 14 hours ago||
I think it's well-known that we've been pretty focused on AI agent infrastructure for a while...
blondie9x 5 hours ago||
Unreal. Another open source project eaten up by the giants of big tech.
asgr 15 hours ago||
</3
wosined 16 hours ago||
> Deno sells out
cmrdporcupine 15 hours ago|
I read it more as:

> Deno people probably just want a paycheck after they spent years seeking glory and money on something that other people used but didn't pay them a cent for.

My take: Opensource-Infrastructure-as-startup-but-also-charity is a thing that is going to die along with ZIRP. I don't know why VCs ever sniffed around things like this in the first place. The younger generation that followed this business model with liberal "take my stuff" licenses and sneered at GPL etc are learning the hard way that making a nice cool thing and getting noticed is not going to earn you a good living. (And other people will make millions off your passionate work.)

rvz 16 hours ago||
> We will support the Deno runtime for another year with monthly releases containing bug fixes and security updates. After that year we will end our development of the Deno runtime. Deno will remain open source, and we welcome others who want to continue its development.

So Deno is going to be unsupported and will no longer be maintained and will be discontinued.

It looks like "written in Rust" is not enough for a selling point and lost out to the fierce competition against Bun.

vollbrecht 16 hours ago||
Isn't bun also written in rust, so can you clarify what your point is here?
rvz 16 hours ago||
Deno wasn't doing well and was repeatedly outperformed in downloads and raw performance when Bun was written in Zig, and even before Bun got acquired by Anthropic.

My point is, even if Bun stayed on Zig, Deno still struggled to compete regardless of the language used.

tommica 16 hours ago||
I'd guess Deno failed because of the original decision of not supporting node_modules, instead went with a different way of handling dependencies. Else the native typescript support would most likely had pushed them to bigger success past nodejs.

Though nodejs was even then quite solid in it's position, so maybe it would not have made a difference.

nullstyle 14 hours ago|
What a shame. Guess me and the clankers will be maintaining a fork now
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