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Posted by john_alan 14 hours ago

Apple/macOS removed from official Unix registry(www.opengroup.org)
246 points | 218 commentspage 5
jonstewart 13 hours ago|
Xnu’s Not Unix!
hommelix 10 hours ago|
Who is running Xinu today?
hushpadapp 13 hours ago||
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hnp9j9qtda 11 hours ago||
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antonyragleap 12 hours ago||
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xoshbin 12 hours ago||
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ununix 13 hours ago||
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Andrex 11 hours ago||
Why even spend the time making an account to post such a comment.

People are so strange.

latexr 13 hours ago||
Intellectually curious people with even a mild interest in the history of computing.
bigyabai 10 hours ago||
Intellectually prudent people may note that macOS's status as "Unix" depended on temporary waivers and insane, unattainable OS modifications.

There's probably a high-nines percentage of Mac owners that have never configured their Mac to be Unix compliant, and never will.

latexr 8 hours ago||
None of that is relevant to the point. Historical curiosity does not concern itself with practicality.
BoingBoomTschak 11 hours ago||
It'd matter if this certification came with an extensive test suite guaranteeing some degree of compliance. Instead, you have macOS defaulting to an antediluvian bash as /bin/sh full of ridiculous bugs like this:

  $ cat test.sh
  var=
  echo "${var+{\}}"
  cat <<EOF
  ${var+\"foo\"}
  EOF
  $ /bin/sh test.sh
  {\}
  \"foo\"
  $ /bin/dash test.sh
  {}
  "foo"
Note that they even ship dash as a much better /bin/sh...
gray_-_wolf 10 hours ago||
These days it defaults to zsh instead of bash. The shipped bash is ancient due to (I believe) being last version released as GPL-2.0.
BoingBoomTschak 6 hours ago||
I'm not speaking about the default login shell, which is indeed zsh, but what /bin/sh points to.
ArgumentMoney81 6 hours ago||
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isodev 9 hours ago||
In many ways, macOS is kind of driving towards irrelevance.

Apple wants it to be more like iOS (so they can control what you do on it) while users want a normal computer they can do computer things on without it spewing ads or applying political pressure when someone tries to hold Apple accountable (e.g. the EU trying to make Apple stop abusing their market position).

akxowkciwkdkw 8 hours ago|
> In many ways, macOS is kind of driving towards irrelevance.

You mean the second most used desktop OS with about 15% of the global consumer OS market? About 30% of consumer desktops in the US alone? That “irrelevant” macOS?

isodev 56 minutes ago|||
It’s not about market share, is it? Also people generally don’t choose macOS because macOS, it’s just the thing that comes with their Mac.
bitfilped 7 hours ago|||
Indeed it is one in the same. The middle layer of MacOS has been rotting for years, the introduction of gatekeeper and SIP has made downloading and running programs or observing your system a pain. Software developers are being pushed toward App models and many other examples exist. For people who simply need a computer that works MacOS is moving futher away from that goal with every release.
crossroadsguy 12 hours ago|
I won't be surprised if you will have to boot into recovery, disable SIP, come back to user-space and run those unsafe 'ls' and 'cat' commands you were trying to live dangerously with on '~/Library', and then go back to recovery again to renable SIP to stay safe. You may also have to do that to install every software you want to install and use on your (is it?) mac other than the ones that are from companies that had tied up with and signed Apple's USA certificaiton (i.e User Safety Alliance™; involving non-publicly disclosed deals), or from the smaller devs who were not small enough and could pay a few thousand dollars annually and sent Apple 3 kidneys annually to publish softwares with very reduced scope and access on the device/OS. The data transfer between your mac and those app endpoints will be so protected that even your own self-destructive hands and insufficient intellect won't be able to gather what is happening beneath the Apple's hardware hardcoded encryption. All for safety beyond the UNIX way. So not all surprising.
tengwar2 3 hours ago||
Have you ever considered, oh maybe using a Mac rather than making up complete bollocks(*)? Or perhaps looking up the well-documented and fully supported procedure for installing unsigned software? Or maybe noticing that the procedure is usually only needed for applications like FreeTube where the developer has a reason to remain anonymous? Yes, you can disable SIP. But you will struggle to find a need to do so.

(*) My lawyers have asked me to point out that the case of Regina vs Sex Pistols (1977) established that this term refers to a priest in Old English (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Mind_the_Bollocks,_Here%...).

crossroadsguy 27 minutes ago||
Ah, the triggering at mere mention of an iFan.

> oh maybe using a Mac

If that’s what you get reading that comment then maybe ask your lawyer to pump some grey grease into the upper few inches next time you two are at a petrol err gas station.

> usually only needed for applications like FreeTube

No, looks like that won’t be sufficient. Pumping grey won’t be sufficient. Ask the lawyer to also do a “recent top posts on hn” search for you, assuming their marbles don’t yet melt at first sight of fruit company criticism/rant.

> you will struggle to find a need to do so.

Right. A member of the “you are holding it wrong” + “this is how it’s supposed to be used” genus spotted. Not your fault then. Here you go: yeah, you are right. Consider yours truly enlightened and in your immense intellectual debt.

post-it 12 hours ago|||
Except you don't.
spacedcowboy 11 hours ago|||
Is this “make shit up” day, or something ?
crossroadsguy 9 hours ago||
> make shit up

When it's about the fruit company, is there a difference? Unless it's for the eyes of the beholden i.e., le iFans.

throawayonthe 12 hours ago||
oh no! security measures! scary!
solarkraft 10 hours ago||
They are, when used against the user.