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Posted by Cider9986 10 hours ago

Bitwarden Dual License Model(community.bitwarden.com)
335 points | 243 commentspage 4
tamimio 7 hours ago|
Bitwarden was my go to a while ago before moving to self hosted, even tho my password in the vault can get leaked anytime they won’t matter (2fa not in the same vault), but still, I don’t trust saas or anyone anymore, all crucial things are self hosted.
fiatpandas 8 hours ago||
I’ve used vaultwarden and the official bitwarden macOS and iOS clients for a few years now, but it’s probably not wise to stay with it as a server long term, unless VW released their own apps.

I’ve put up with the minor annoyance of Bitwarden iOS app auto-updates breaking compatibility with my server, which requires me to update the docker instance.

It’s likely I’ll just switch to Apple, since I believe they support importing standard password DB formats. I have less enthusiasm now to maintain the link between these ecosystems, especially if one is on a downward enshittification trajectory.

charcircuit 8 hours ago||
I don't see hours this business strategy works post LLMs. Someone's just going to immediately prompt into existence any commercial feature you make into the open source side.
gucci-on-fleek 8 hours ago|
For most software, sure, but I wouldn't really trust a vibe-coded password manager.
scotty79 9 hours ago||
I'll be moving to PearPass ... there's really no reason for any company to hold my passwords for me.
caaqil 9 hours ago||
Unless they pull the LastPass crap, this is not a big deal for regular users.
SV_BubbleTime 4 hours ago|
Which LastPass crap?

Them not understanding how PBKDF2 works?

Them leaking all the encrypted user vaults?

Then raising prices and being impossible to work with as corporate customers?

Straight up fuck LastPass.

petterroea 9 hours ago||
Yet another elasticsearch. Or terraform. Or redis. I guess?

Oss trying to protect itself from scalpers?

Rebelgecko 9 hours ago|
The new owners are just seeing how gradually they can boil the frog before the userbase moves elsewhere. Gotta maximize returns.
hn3ufz62f7 9 hours ago||
Ran Vaultwarden for a team of ~15 for years and that's the part I'd watch here, the clients are the leverage, not the server. If the mobile apps stop being buildable from source the self host story gets a lot thinner.
rvz 9 hours ago|
The problem with this license change is that it is unenforceable, now that developers believe they can vibe-code their own.

Only a matter of time until we see "OpenWarden", just like we saw the migration from Redis to Valkey.

But let's be honest. "enshittification" here really means "I don't want to pay for my tools and I want it completely for free forever."

Just look at the reactions towards the single UI change made in Firefox on HN [0] and already the complaints are there. Even if you charge your users $1 to remove tracking it is somehow "enshittification" because $1 is too much to pay for software maintenance.

The real cost of maintenance is the amount raised in VC capital (Bitwarden raised $100M) or $600M a year (Google paying Firefox). Donations won't cover the capital needed to fund Firefox or Bitwarden's development at all.

"Open source" is only sustainable when someone else is paying for that maintenance. Small donations will only take you so far until one core developer says that they are underpaid.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49892721

rkent 8 hours ago||
Thunderbird is a rare counter-example of an open source project that manages to maintain a significant staff through donations. Although affiliated with Mozilla, they are not funded by Mozilla. (I am no longer affiliated with Thunderbird, but I managed the project in the dark years after Mozilla suddenly dropped all funding and tried to get us to leave Mozilla.)
alt227 8 hours ago|||
> But let's be honest. "enshittification" here really means "I don't want to pay for my tools and I want it completely for free forever."

That is completely the opposite of what is happening here. Lots of us pay premium Bitwarden subscriptions and are not happy with the way the company is headed, especially for a security company that holds the keys to many of our kingdoms.

"enshittification" here means a company that we trusted is now started to make decisions which erode that trust. Its happened before and it will happen from here unto eternity.

cortesoft 7 hours ago|||
> Only a matter of time until we see "OpenWarden", just like we saw the migration from Redis to Valkey.

Vaultwarden already exists

malfist 8 hours ago||
I "new Firefox design" is hardly "single UI change"

If it was only one change I doubt there'd be much pushback