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Posted by bookofjoe 1 day ago

Secret of Orange Cats Revealed After 60-Year Search(www.sciencealert.com)
208 points | 168 comments
kens 4 hours ago|
I thought this seemed familiar; it's a rehash of a 2024 discovery: https://www.science.org/content/article/gene-behind-orange-f...
HelloUsername 4 hours ago|
The article you posted is also posted as hyperlink in the article you're commenting on. "Stanford University geneticist Greg Barsh told Sara Reardon at Science in 2024"
dayyan 5 hours ago||
The article says there's no evidence of the gene being responsible for behavior.

Which means it's inconclusive if the gene is responsible for behavior.

But, collectively we know it may be.

dekhn 5 hours ago||
This is fairly typical for genetic studies. We can observe an association, without understanding the causal relationship. Those of us who take the molecular biology/biophysical view of genes and proteins have been watching the geneticists slowly discover that "the allele of a gene that codes for" mental model is very limited; at least they're starting to pay more attention to the regulatory changes and indels and structural rearrangements, even if they don't have the tools to explain the underlying mechanism.

Like most hair/skin coloring, it's related to melanin production, regulation, and distribution.

roughly 3 hours ago|||
Very often the appropriate lens for genetic expression isn’t traits, it’s tools - a gene knockout isn’t “blue eyes now”, it’s “socket #6 is missing from the kit,” which is why you’ll see blue eyes and a bunch of other unrelated stuff.

(With love to my blue-eyed friends in the thread)

dekhn 3 hours ago||
Yes; the molecular biologists have been pointing out this for decades. Trait-based genetics really set back the mental model for understanding complex phenotypes (the ultimate phenotype being the molecular structure of an entire human being over time). It's been an uphill battle to fight the long-term insistence of genetics professors that we just need to do a few more association studies on larger genome populations and all of diseases will be cured.

But I don't know how well a gene knockout maps to a single tool missing (in terms of analogy); due to the intricate, complex, functional history of evolution, many genes play multiple roles (a wrench can be used as a hammer), and many phenotypes are resilient to loss of one or another tool (can't find wrench? Use this hammer instead!) Understanding those details at the molecular level and relating them to the full human phenotype has been a major interest of mine for decades, but I can't say I really understand anything about it.

derefr 2 hours ago||
Tool blueprints, I might suggest. (I.e. genes are blueprints for tool proteins/enzymes/etc.)

Though with the weird proviso that every so often, each cell opens up its cabinet of blueprints and just 3D-prints up one of every tool it has a blueprint for, unless sees a sticky note on the blueprint telling it to skip (silence/suppress) printing one of that tool for now.

(And, if anyone is wondering, this strategy of "just always print all tools unless otherwise specified" works because these tools are mostly very flimsy, breaking/being consumed quickly after just a few uses, sometimes as little as one. So there's a constant need for new prints of most of these tools. The ones that are more durable, the cell has to be more careful to not overproduce.)

I say that "tool blueprints" is a useful model, because it makes it more intuitive that e.g. for the important stuff, the genome keeps a pile of duplicate blueprints for the same tool; and then also keeps some machinery (autosense suppressors) to add and remove notes to those blueprints on observing that there's "enough" or "not enough" of the tool floating around inside/outside the cell. Which allows "having N redundant tool blueprints" to work just like "having only one tool blueprint" does, rather than drowning you in printed tools; yet also ensures that if something scribbles over one of the blueprints, everything "just keeps working", since the machinery will just end up unsilencing the other blueprints more often. (And also, as a bonus, allows the "corrupted" duplicate blueprints to act as forks of the parent blueprint, gradually being redrawn over N generations of mutations into a working blueprint for a new tool, much more quickly than a new tool blueprint could be mutated into existence from scratch, and without losing the ability to produce the original tool in the process.)

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Oh, and to be even more pedantic, it's probably best to think of genes as tool part blueprints, since several proteins might need to come together and link up to make a functional tool; and since a single part might end up being consumed in the creation of several different tools. (But that doesn't really add much to predictive intuition, unless you're trying to predict the precise failure modes of any particular tool's production under a point mutation of a single part. You can mostly forget about it.)

dekhn 2 hours ago||
See, this is the dicsussion I didn't want to have. I don't really care about the analogies, I care about the mechanistic details in a holistic way, and I've concluded that no human alive is smart enough to understand that, so we need AI to help us make forward progress on complex phenotypes now.
bbor 2 hours ago|||
Yeah but there's good reason for an investigation here, in particular:

  Arhgap36 is known to cause developmental problems in other animals when it is over- or under-functioning.
dekhn 2 hours ago||
Said every scientist who wanted more grant funding.
Osato28 1 hour ago||
The color is genetic. The behavior is due to them not having a soul. While there is an obvious relationship, it's not direct but mediated by the color.
bookofjoe 9 hours ago||
https://www.reddit.com/r/catbongos/
drooopy 9 hours ago||
Recently I went through the list of all of the subs that I follow and 80% of them were all cat related.
jnovek 7 hours ago|||
Do you think it’s always been that way?

I have gone through a slow attrition of “serious” subs over the years as they’ve all slowly become toxic. I pretty much just have goofy, fun stuff or niche interests left at this point.

jimbokun 5 hours ago|||
It’s why I had to give up Reddit entirely.

Impossible to follow any topic without it devolving into political flame wars.

seesaw 4 hours ago|||
I have stopped visiting Reddit after they dropped support for old.reddit.com. I use lemmy.world now. I did notice an increase in cat posts on Reddit before I quit
wnmurphy 3 hours ago|||
That was the final straw for me as well. Forcing you to log in to see old.reddit.com + forcing you into the app when viewing on mobile + the general toxicity just made it no longer worth it to use Reddit.
Akronymus 2 hours ago|||
set the cookie "redesign_optout" to true
jedberg 41 minutes ago|||
> Impossible to follow any topic without it devolving into political flame wars.

But have you considered how that is Donald Trump/Joe Biden's fault?

/s in case it isn't obvious.

floorsthelimit 6 hours ago||||
That’s a healthy way to use Reddit. Everything else is mostly rage bait.
gs17 4 hours ago||||
That's how I've treated it too, if a sub has gone from making me happy to making me angry, it's gone, and "cute picture of cats" seems to be more resistant.
1970-01-01 6 hours ago|||
Cat picture pollution arrived around 2005 with Facebook. Directly driving it was the new idea of a cellphone camera. AOL and the era before it didn't have the cat picture pollution problem because they didn't have the technology to post them.
jimbokun 5 hours ago|||
Some of the earliest photos after the photograph was invented are of people’s cats.
toss1 6 hours ago|||
It is not pollution when it is the desirable outcome.

It isn't like the relevant environment — the set of Internet forums — somehow predates human influence; it is nothing but the sum of human influence.

Cat pictures at least add joy and mirth, and are driven by real people without outside motivation.

If anything is pollution in that environment / context, is is the rise of content driven by surveillance capitalism and political corruption.

At this point (at the risk of turning a measure into a target), might we be able to gauge the natural-ness of a forum by the number of cat pics?

shagie 5 hours ago|||
> Cat pictures at least add joy and mirth, and are driven by real people without outside motivation.

Scientists Find a Surprising Link Between Cats And Happiness Across 93 Countries (05 October 2026) https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-find-a-surprising-li...

> If you're looking for a boost of household happiness, then you might want to consider getting yourself a cat.

> In a new study published in PLOS One, an international team of researchers analyzed publicly available data across 93 countries to examine the relationship between happiness scores, domestic cat density, and infection rates of Toxoplasma gondii – the parasite that affects as many as 1 in 3 people and which felines are the primary host of.

> ...

> "What we found is that countries with more cats tended to report higher levels of happiness, while countries with higher exposure to Toxoplasma gondii tended to report lower levels of happiness," say the study authors in a press release.

Wealth, health, cats and Toxoplasma gondii: An ecological correlational study of subjective well-being across 93 countries (September 30, 2026) - https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0357911

> Conclusion

> This ecological study provides novel insights into the magnitude and robustness of the associations between happiness, cat density, T. gondii exposure, and socioeconomic factors across 93 countries. Our main findings showed that, besides the typical associations between subjective well-being and some socioeconomic factors, national happiness was largely and positively associated with cat density and largely and negatively associated with IgM T. gondii exposure. These results underscore the need for future studies integrating both socioeconomic and biological determinants of happiness and including longitudinal and interdisciplinary approaches to elucidate the underlying mechanisms and processes.

1970-01-01 5 hours ago|||
Thank you Claudia. The cat pollution problem predates your training. In summation, cat pictures started as a nonpathogenec virus on Facebook and slowly matured into a slight benefit to some and an off-topic scourge to others. It's net benefit to humanity are debatable.
toss1 5 hours ago||
Based on what evidence do you think that post was LLM-generated?

I can assure you it was 0.000% influenced by artificial systems.

Evidently, evaluating human sentiments is outside the scope of your training.

EDIT: Oh, wait, it must have been the emdashes! Sorry, I've been using those since before LLMs were invented. Where do you think the LLMs learned to use emdashes? From competent writers who used emdashes centuries before computers were even invented. Yeah, and that "flag" is soooo 2023. Please try to keep up.

nrr 3 hours ago||
Though, slight typography nit—and I don't especially like being a pedant except when I can teach something—the em-dash isn't typically set off by spaces as you've done. The only real exception that I can recall off-hand is in newspapers, and that's for reasons of space management.
Sharlin 8 hours ago||||
I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of all subreddits are cat related.
jimbokun 5 hours ago||||
Get rid of the other 20%.
NietTim 6 hours ago||||
I've been blocking subs in RES for years now, it's over 7000 last I checked and most I see on /r/all now is cat content. It's GLORIOUS
RobotToaster 6 hours ago||
I don't think I've ever visited /r/all, it seems like a terrible place.
NietTim 6 hours ago||
I agree, but for a long time it was the only way to discover new niche subs
bookofjoe 8 hours ago||||
fyi: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd6EjvCDRRWlkHjEYvSfOkA
dyauspitr 7 hours ago|||
I never understood the extreme love for cats. I considered getting one for my daughter but the toxoplasmosis alone makes cat ownership an immediate nope and that’s before the cat piss/poop you can immediately smell in a house with cats in them.
Xirdus 6 hours ago|||
Cats spent the last 4000 years or so evolving to be more adorable to humans. The reasons we love cats are rooted in our basic cognitive functions, which cats are abusing. I am not taking a piss when I say that people who don't like cats are more likely to be neurodivergent.
throw55643fr 3 hours ago|||
I know it’s sexist, but I don’t trust men who like cats more than dogs.
dyauspitr 6 hours ago|||
> I am not taking a piss when I say that people who don't like cats are more likely to be neurodivergent.

“Dog people” heavily outnumber “cat people” almost always in polls. Like 44% to 18% in this one https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/docume...

Your neurodivergence argument holds up, just not in the way you think it does.

commiepatrol 2 hours ago|||
Perhaps in US that's true but I doubt it if you look at the world as a whole. For example, Indian(from India) hate dogs on average. That's 1.5 billion right there.
Xirdus 5 hours ago|||
I would like you to expand on how my neurodivergence argument holds up if it doesn't hold up in the way I think it does. If you're about to say autists like cats more, I'm going to flip the desk.
dyauspitr 5 hours ago||
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floorsthelimit 6 hours ago||||
I prefer animals that shit in a box to animals that eat their own shit and barf it up and eat it again.

Plus it’s probably the toxoplasmosis that brainwashes us to love those furry little things.

shagie 5 hours ago||
> Plus it’s probably the toxoplasmosis that brainwashes us to love those furry little things.

Elsecomment I mentioned a recent article. Scientists Find a Surprising Link Between Cats And Happiness Across 93 Countries - https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-find-a-surprising-li...

> "What we found is that countries with more cats tended to report higher levels of happiness, while countries with higher exposure to Toxoplasma gondii tended to report lower levels of happiness," say the study authors in a press release.

The paper itself is https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0357911

bookofjoe 5 hours ago||||
Not in mine!
bowsamic 5 hours ago||||
The main thing I don’t like about cats is that they feel like they don’t really like their owners but more just tolerate them
nrr 3 hours ago|||
I don't know what cats you've interacted with, but my cats literally use me as furniture and cry at me when they can't.
quickthrowman 19 minutes ago||||
That’s what I like about cats. I don’t need some dog staring at me constantly looking for direction, my cat has his own agenda that sometimes includes sitting by me.

I similarly prefer romantic partners with their own stuff going on outside of me vs someone who devotes their entire existence to me and needs to be directed.

bookofjoe 5 hours ago|||
To me that’s a feature, not a bug .
michaelmrose 6 hours ago|||
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freecodeio 5 hours ago|||
this one is always funny, anyone know why my orange would pull his ass so high to get a nice smack? almost as if they feel some sort of relief
jakzurr 3 hours ago|||
It might just be because he loves you. Of course, it could also be:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scent_rubbing#Domestic_cat

jugg1es 4 hours ago||||
pretty sure its a sex thing - makes sense for females to lift up their rear and I guess there isn't any evolutionary pressure for that sensitivity to not exist in males as well.
Tiktaalik 2 hours ago||
This would be a plausible explanation tho I've been told that cats don't move their tail that way when they're in heat. It doesn't go up but rather sideways.

So maybe it's that but maybe it's something else.

sillysaurusx 5 hours ago|||
Ever have someone bang on your lower back that way? It feels good :)
dreamcompiler 5 hours ago||
This is why people go to chiropractors.
howunfortunate 6 hours ago||
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michaelmrose 6 hours ago||
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sporkl_l 22 minutes ago||
Orange cat has no secret because orange cat has no thought.
stuaxo 9 hours ago||
Wait, do people in the US really call them "orange cats" - I just thought that was a reddit / internet thing.

In the UK these are ginger cats.

jzb 7 hours ago||
Yes. But we also call redheads "redheads" as a rule, not "gingers" - except that the "ginger" thing has filtered over here via the Internet in the past, I dunno, 20 years.

Like, I can't recall anybody describing a redheaded person as a "ginger" in the 80s or 90s, (location: Missouri) it's something I've only encountered since there's been more language cross-pollination due to the Internet.

BobbyJo 6 hours ago||
South Park really spread "ginger" as the term in the US. Since that episode, everyone I know uses ginger instead of redhead, whereas I only learned the word ginger from that episode.
bitwize 1 hour ago||
Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw
SwiftyBug 8 hours ago|||
We call them orange cats (gatos laranjas) in Portuguese too!
ivanjermakov 8 hours ago|||
I thought it was popularized by internet/Reddit as a joke denoting that ginger cats are "special": https://www.reddit.com/r/OneOrangeBraincell/
bbor 2 hours ago|||
No, they've been orange since long before that. Cause, y'know... that's their color!

Turns out it's a dead tie in English books though, wow: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=orange+cat%2Cg...

moritzwarhier 5 hours ago|||
It's because they have no soul!
orphea 9 hours ago|||
Many places outside the US call them orange as well.
drooopy 9 hours ago|||
Cookie vs biscuit, vacation vs holiday, gasoline vs petrol, etc, etc.
TiredOfLife 6 hours ago|||
Cookie and biscuit are two different things. Which two depends on country, but still two different things
NetMageSCW 6 hours ago||
The point is what in the Uk is called a biscuit in the US is called a cookie. Similarly for the other pairings.
shagie 5 hours ago|||
Do ginger cats make the same biscuits as orange cats?

Though, https://www.reddit.com/r/catsinpants/ works for both forms of English.

card_zero 6 hours ago||||
This sense of biscuit persisted in US English for a long time. The National Biscuit Company (makers of oreos and fig newtons) only changed its name to Nabisco in 1931. The Kennedy Biscuit Company was subsumed by the New York Biscuit Company which merged with the American Biscuit Company to form the National Biscuit Company in 1898. Closes Wikipedia
venzaspa 6 hours ago|||
Cookies in the UK are a subset of biscuits, but not all biscuits are cookies. Do you not have any other types of biscuits (using the UK term) in the US?
nkrisc 9 minutes ago|||
No, a biscuit in the US almost universally narrowly refers to a flaky, buttery pastry typically eaten at breakfast, either with a sweet jam or a savory sausage gravy.

“Biscuit” is not a category of foods in the US, while “cookie” is absolutely a category of desert with many different kinds.

If you ask for a biscuit here, you’ll get the same thing every time. If you ask for a cookie, you’ll be asked “what kind?”

bensyverson 6 hours ago|||
No. A biscuit is something entirely different in the US. We just have many types of cookies.
irishcoffee 7 hours ago|||
FWIW, I believe petroleum is a synonym for crude oil. If you put it in your cars fuel tank, you'll have a bad time. Gasoline is made from petrolium.
cpburns2009 7 hours ago|||
I'm pretty sure petrol means gasoline not petroleum.
RobotToaster 6 hours ago||
Petrol is technically just short for petroleum, which is latin for "rock oil"

Gasoline is from gas + plus the chemical suffix "ol" short for the latin "oleum", and "ine" meaning "made of".

delecti 5 hours ago||
But the etymology of a word doesn't prove that someone is using that word wrong, or people on both sides of the pond would have to start baking our biscuits a second time.
dylan604 7 hours ago|||
petrol !== petroleum

the confusion is solely in your reading comprehension skills and not in the GP's use of the words

jeremyscanvic 8 hours ago|||
I always found this funny as well. We say ginger cats (chats roux) in French too!
moritzwarhier 5 hours ago||
But doesn't roux/rouge just mean "red"?

"Ginger" doesn't mean "red", except for hair color. And that's the interesting part.

jeromegv 3 hours ago||
Roux is just for hair colour in French. Not the same as rouge.
HarHarVeryFunny 3 hours ago|||
I'm an ex Brit, living in the US, and have an orange tabby that I like to say is orange, but his name is "Gingey".

Does that help? :)

gedy 9 hours ago|||
You might be shocked that we say "red heads" instead of ginger as well.
danaris 8 hours ago|||
In the US, "ginger" is a seasoning, not a color. Like, in general; we do not refer to anything as being ginger-colored unless it's a sort of pale yellowish tan.
skyberrys 4 hours ago|||
The redhead, ginger, color link comes from early season ginger, which has reddish pink tips around the leaves right above the fresh root.
aqme28 8 hours ago||||
People will still refer to redheads as "ginger" but only some of the time
SoftTalker 7 hours ago|||
That's a fairly new thing. Growing up, I never heard anyone use "ginger" in that way. It was always "redhead." Or sometimes "strawberry blonde" for lighter shades.
rigrassm 6 hours ago||
Millennial checking in, ginger was used all the time when I was a kid
manarth 7 hours ago|||
Only a ginger should call another person ginger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw

card_zero 8 hours ago||||
In UK English ginger isn't exactly a color either. It's not like yellow or orange. It's a state of being.

I don't know why this is being downvoted. Does "ginger-colored" sound right to you? It doesn't quite work.

leoedin 8 hours ago||
It's true. A person is ginger, but nobody ever says things are ginger coloured. Ginger isn't even really one colour - it's a spectrum of orange-containing hair colours.
dylan604 7 hours ago|||
If you would then please explain the "kick a ginger day" from SouthPark
phoghed 5 hours ago|||
South Park popularized it. It was known but not common before that where I lived. It also popularized harassing them in general at my school.
dylan604 3 hours ago||
Were there many reds around when you were growing up? My family is full of redheads, and ginger was a well known term to me. I'm much older than South Park
phoghed 2 hours ago||
No, only a couple that I knew of. My area was mostly Mexican, then white, then native, then everything else.
Der_Einzige 7 hours ago|||
Old south-park is no longer culturally relevant.
jimbokun 5 hours ago|||
We use both terms here. Ginger has become more popular recently, probably due to UK Internet influence over recent years.
quickthrowman 12 minutes ago||
It’s almost entirely due to the South Park episode about gingers lacking souls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Kids

DonHopkins 7 hours ago|||
Hey now, that's prejudice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw

dboreham 8 hours ago|||
I always called the orange even when I was in the UK.
logicchains 7 hours ago|||
In Australia they're known an ranga cats (ranga as in orangutan).
fortyseven 7 hours ago|||
I'm in the US, but through cultural osmosis, ginger in the UK context is in my vocabulary. I think things like this are going to coalesce, slowly.
ReptileMan 9 hours ago|||
UK and USA are brotherly nations divided only by their common language.
luckydata 5 hours ago|||
in italian we call them "red cats"
johnnyanmac 6 hours ago||
They are mostly tabbies at the end of the day. But colloquially, yes: the US tends to simply call them orange.
thesebas 10 hours ago||
https://www.reddit.com/r/OneOrangeBraincell/ I think it is relevant.
rob74 10 hours ago||
My experience (cat owner myself, son of cat owners and regular cat-sitter) confirms what the article says: orange cats are no more or less prone to doing seemingly stupid/weird things than cats of any other color. More seriously, I think this stereotype is a direct continuation of stereotypes against red-haired humans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_people_...), so it shouldn't be encouraged...
adzm 9 hours ago|||
Most likely this is because orange cats are almost always male, and (neutered) male cats tend to be goofier than females.

I think the association with discrimination against red haired humans is a stretch though

mschuster91 9 hours ago|||
Tell that to my female Standard Issue Cats lol. One is food motivated, pretty intelligent when it comes to food and pretty fat, and her twin sister is routinely making me wonder if she's an orange cat with a modified fur. Dumb as rocks but excessively cute.
realo 8 hours ago||
"Dumb as rock but excessively cute" ... Funny how that applies to some humans as well!
delecti 5 hours ago|||
"Almost always male" is slightly overstating things. Cat color is a sex linked gene, so a male cat is orange when it has a copy of the gene on its single X chromosome. Female cats can also be orange under normal circumstances though, and about 20% of orange cats are female.

Compare that to tortoiseshell or calico cats, which requires two different color genes (with calico requiring the "white spotted" gene in addition to two colors). That means something unusual usually has to happen for those colors to occur in male cats, which is why less than 0.1% of calicos are male.

forinti 9 hours ago||||
I had couple of cats (orange male and tortoiseshell female) that lived 20 years after I picked them off the street. The female had only one kidney and the male had an extra vertebra but these things only became a problem in their last year.

They were both very calm creatures. The male was one of the most gentle cats I've ever known. I really miss him greeting me by nodding at me from the sofa when I got home.

SwiftyBug 8 hours ago|||
Can you describe what the male looked like? I have a tortoiseshell who's all crooked. Her paws are twisted inward, her tail is shaped like a spring, her rear legs are longer than her front legs. She's all weird. Now I'm wondering if she has extra stuff like a vertebra too. Does your male cat looked overall normal despite the extra vertebra?
bombcar 7 hours ago|||
We had a cat with a "pig tail" as in his tail was shaped like a pig's and couldn't straighten out. The vet said it was some relatively common birth defect and wasn't a major issue.
SwiftyBug 6 hours ago||
Oh, cool! I never heard about another cat with a similar tail as my tortie's. The vet said she was probably born like that, but didn't say anything about this being common-ish.
forinti 8 hours ago|||
They both looked normal and where quite beautiful cats actually.

We only found out their health issues from exams.

gausswho 7 hours ago|||
> and the male had an extra vertebra

My brain seized up trying to picture this. They didn't say vertebrum, so that's not just a wee bone but a whole other second spine! How does it even...?? I must know!

forinti 7 hours ago||
Sorry, it was just an extra bone.

Actually, I think I got it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebra

gausswho 6 hours ago||
You're correct. My neophyte Latin chops be exposed. Let me explain what I just learned with my figurative antennae (plural, not antenna which also ends in 'a' and is singular), something about first and second declensions and neutered...

No that's plenty enough. Carry on!

etcetcetcetceta 7 hours ago||||
I agree but I don't think it's related to prejudice against redheaded humans, wrt the cats I think it's some sort of confirmation bias.

Have had >13 cats in my life, and they're all fucking weird.

khelavastr 9 hours ago||||
I was just thinking how behavioral differences of red haired foxes, cats, and humans from their closest relatives are explained by the same sort of proopiomelanocortin and other substantia nigra differences from weak MC1R activity.
reilly3000 8 hours ago||
As someone who lives with 4 cats, one of which who is orange and conforming with all stereotypes, I implore you to further that line of inquiry. While the OP paper doesn’t claim behavioral differences are supported, it doesn’t falsify them and there could be a dynamic there. If you could genetically encode shamelessness it might encapsulate the behavior. It’s not a lack of intelligence per se, more of a lack of inhibition.

This paper demonstrates a connection with behavior. I personally suspect gingers have smaller amygdala.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381166835_The_Skin-...

xattt 9 hours ago||||
Tangential and sample size n = 1, but the two orange cats in my life were spankers/lovers of cat bongos whereas all other coloured cats were not.

There is something different about them, and the red hair thing is a coincidence.

Cthulhu_ 9 hours ago||
We have a tuxedo boi who is a big fan of the butt bongos, n=1 again but still.
Oarch 9 hours ago||||
Hey, some of us love and appreciate that red hair too!
Noaidi 8 hours ago|||
Did you know people with blue eyes are more likely to have bipolar disorder? This of course doesn’t mean everyone blue eyes has bipolar disorder but it makes it more likely. I think the issue may be playing out in orange cats as well. It’s certainly not going to give me every orange is weird, but it increases the likelihood and I think that’s why we see the stereotype play out.

I had an orange cat growing up in the 1970s well before the Internet and out of the seven cast I own as a child. It was very much different.

TiredOfLife 6 hours ago||
Turns out racism is funny and accepted if directed against those you don't like
cr1895 6 hours ago||
Racism towards...orange cats? Is that your contention?
amelius 8 hours ago||
Fun fact: people with red hair have more fear for dentists:

https://www.dentistryiq.com/dentistry/article/55260898/redhe...

kolinko 7 hours ago|
Which makes sense because anesthesia doesn’t work on them as well. One or two encounters with a dentist that doesn’t know it and it’s quite natural to develop such a fear.
xhevahir 7 hours ago||
That's true. They seem to be more sensitive to pain in general, though. And I've wondered if that might in some people lead to a heightened degree of something called Misanthropic Person Memory: https://oscarybarra.lsa.umich.edu/Main_Site/Publications_fil...
PowerElectronix 5 hours ago||
It's extremely interesting that the genes that regulate this are non-protein coding. More light shed on the actual functionality of "junk" DNA, even if it's for cats.
dekhn 5 hours ago|
Realistically, we've been working with non-protein-coding genes for some time, and the controversy about "junk" (true junk) DNA still continues.

See: https://cryptogenomicon.org/encode-says-what.html and https://thefinchandpea.com/2012/09/10/random-genome-naked-ge... for one perspective on how to approach this.

throwitaway222 3 hours ago||
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IetAK3sIAZ0
sleepybrett 6 hours ago|
Still no way to track the one neuron that they all share.
movsx 4 hours ago|
Plot twist: It's actually a D-flip-flop. :-)
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