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Posted by leglock 3 hours ago

Artificial Insanity(richwhitehouse.com)
50 points | 61 commentspage 2
qnleigh 1 hour ago|
> This brings us to a big underlying problem with the way AI is being sold to us: it's being exaggerated to sound like way more than it is, and it's being sold to people/governments as something that will be capable of exceeding human "intelligence" in the near future when it's not capable of intelligence at all.

How can you possibly hold this belief after Tuesday? An LLM solved a significant number of major open problems in many subfields of mathematics, including a major breakthrough on the Riemann Hypothesis. Get your head out of the sand.

teaearlgraycold 1 hour ago||
I suspect people are afraid of change and hide behind truths like “it’s not conscious”. It’s not. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a force to be reckoned with.
camillomiller 1 hour ago||
Or maybe you stop drinking the kool aid?
rrr_oh_man 1 hour ago||
> This was crudely written in under 2 hours without the assistance, analysis, or hardening of an LLM, and with no editorial treatment whatsoever. I think this is how everyone should be writing in an age of shitty, sterilized parrot regurgitation. Now, let us enjoy the end, however it may come.

<3

Kiro 1 hour ago||
Funny how these articles always use the same aggressive language and bombastic style, to the point where they are more similar than the output of said "sterilized parrot regurgitation".
verdverm 3 minutes ago|
I have no love for the language of lies and fear used by Big Ai either
rexpop 2 hours ago||
> Now, let us enjoy the end, however it may come.

This sort of nihilism/defeatism always irks me. It's so selfish, so privileged.

Tell my starved, murdered ancestors "let us enjoy the end" of their era of stability's denoument.

And, truly, it is not the end. Inconveniently, many—if not most—of us will survive. Will continue on. And it's for the betterment of those who come after us that we ought to toil a little, and not indulge in this childish, self-interested to nihilism.

marginalized populations have repeatedly survived past "apocalypses" not through aesthetic surrender, but through the deliberate, daily reproduction of the commons, ie through pooling resources, sustaining life for its own sake, and preserving collective memory.

Yielding to fashionable doomism merely validates the oppressor's narrative that the future is already decided. A superstition of doom is no different from a superstition of inevitable progress; both models rely on an abstract determinism that strips humans of agency, that encourages the us to accept suffering as unalterable destiny or "the will of God" rather than an artificial, historical barrier.

So, I agree with a lot of what OP is saying, but I think they're a jerk.

xnx 1 hour ago||
Ahem ... Super Insanity
teaearlgraycold 1 hour ago||
LLMs have genuinely modeled systems purely through training on natural language descriptions of those systems. It’s a massive lesson and an answer to the Chinese room thought experiment. I think that’s reasonable to label as intelligence and goes far beyond a stochastic parrot.
slabb 55 minutes ago||
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pixl97 2 hours ago||
Eh, author has a bone to pick with AI companies and his person vision of what intelligence is that they can goalpost move because it doesn't have any stated testable positions. But don't worry anybody, it's just a parrot, not dangerous. Oh, and might want to check your bank because someone else's agentic loop just stole everything from your bank account.

Not anything interesting here that hasn't already been stated 20 other times.

layer8 1 hour ago||
The connection made to climate change in the latter part of the article is new to me, and would be interesting if true. However, I wish the author would cite supporting evidence for their conclusions.
Supermancho 1 hour ago||
> So why are many of the very same sociopaths who are driving us toward climate destruction now suddenly so concerned about the "danger" posed by AI, and seemingly acting in defiance of their fiduciary duties to warn us that we must slow down development and seek regulation?

> interesting if true.

Not sure what you mean by this. This is obviously about MAGA and other allied political forces in the US, at the very least. I wouldn't call it interesting to document the recent observed behavior. It's been evident through journalistic analysis of public statements, policy, and investment for most of the year.

layer8 16 minutes ago||
Regarding:

> The hope of the Elons and Sams of the world is that this will come to fruition well enough that we only have to bother sustaining the "cream of the crop" in the labor force […]. So basically the plan here is to let things go to shit, and when billions of people die as a natural consequence of that, things will keep running as desired.

For one, I don’t think that Sam Altman can be characterized as MAGA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman#Political_engagemen...). Secondly, I’d be interested in sources substantiating a plan that explicitly includes billions of people dying as a necessary factor for the plan to work out.

Supermancho 13 minutes ago||
> I don’t think that Sam Altman can be characterized as MAGA

He is not usually associated with MAGA. The reference was not directed at the heads of the most well know tech companies, despite the quote about "Elons and Sams". This wouldn't make sense in context. It was a reference to the ruling political regime.

layer8 11 minutes ago||
Why would “the Elons and Sams of the world” refer to a political regime? That doesn’t make sense.
thefz 2 hours ago||
Still

> The dangers posed by this technology on its present trajectory are best understood as simple accelerants for the existing dangers humans pose to themselves.

Is very true. All the doomspeak "aI EsCaPeD AnD HaCkEd aNoThEr sYsTeM" was a human error all along, and the tech was doing what it is programmed to do, retry until a satisifiable outcome is met.

pixl97 1 hour ago|||
The particular problem here is quantified the inherent danger of a technology. That is, once you remove the active management of humans, what dangers can happen.

With dangerous chemicals and radioactive materials these are generally pretty easy to classify. This said, after the physical behaviors, the above technologies can induce behavior changes in humans because they exist. After nukes, a lot more people had issues with extental dread. It also causes n-order interactions that get very hard to predict. For example MAD or laws against using chemical weapons.

And these are weapons with a very easy to map out causal chain in their own behavior. You can't prompt a chemical weapon to make a decision.

We come up with agentic AI and all of a sudden a lot of rules on causality break. In a harness they are a causal agent. They can interact with a digital reality, and with the right tools and/or human contacts they can causally effect analog reality.

Anyone that says 'programmed' about an LLM almost certainly does not know what they are talking about and can be summarily ignored.

fastball 1 hour ago|||
How is that comforting? Humans pose almost infinite danger to themselves. We can (and have) done pretty much everything you can do. We've had the capability to glass the entire earth for 70 years. We've had bioweapons, chemical weapons, mass murder, you name it.

Accelerating the ability for any given person to have access to some amount of these capabilities is terrifying, is it not?

pixl97 1 hour ago||
I'm getting so many replies like the one above yours recently. It's like the average person has not really incorporated the fact that we've made something different than all other things we made before now, we'll, except maybe babies. It is comforting and easy to think this AI technology is the same as everything before therefore I don't have to do anything and the problem will solve itself as other problems did in the past.

Maybe many were too young for the cold war. But it really does feel like we're setting a new one up.

lordnacho 1 hour ago|
The stochastic parrots thing is already old. It might have made sense at one point, but now that the parrots are solving millennium problems, I think people have to admit things have changed.

He is right that the AI giants would like a bit of regulatory capture.

verdverm 4 minutes ago|
It can still be stochastic over more complex token graph traversals, but it is still stochastic at the core. Anyone who uses them daily knows how often they make the most absurd assumptions and false statements, and show the limit of engineered intelligence