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Posted by thm 1 day ago

Ledger confirms spy chip implant behind wallet crypto thefts(www.bleepingcomputer.com)
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Crypto-thieves-sell-hardware-wa...

https://crypto.news/ledger-confirms-hidden-chip-in-crypto-wa...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JnHdr30v4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf4FEFlgv3Q

https://www.tibane.net/research/ledger-nano-x-implant

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chinathrow 10 hours ago|
I wonder why they only managed to steal 100M so far. Like with the order of effort needed, why haven't they waited for the really big fish to unlock their ledger?
agos 9 hours ago|
because the longer they wait, the higher the chance of being discovered before they're able to steal anything. I'm sure there's some game theory about this
asdfman123 3 hours ago||
I hope they refer the exploit as "legerdemain"
wildzzz 11 hours ago||
Makes the claim from BI that Supermicro had malicious hardware implants a little more believable, eh?
duskwuff 1 hour ago|
Not really. We have physical proof of the compromised Ledger devices; no one has ever presented any specific evidence that Supermicro hardware was similarly compromised.
stingraycharles 11 hours ago||
Reminds me of that time when state actors wanted to spread the Stuxnet worm into an air gapped nucleair facility in Iran, and basically hijacked the whole USB supply chain and put the worm in there.

When enough resources / money is involved, these things are to be expected.

curiousObject 12 hours ago||
Here’s a new market for $500 Faraday Cages, if any HN readers are interested in selling that
greyface- 7 hours ago||
How did the attackers acquire valid, active Vodafone eSIMs without doxxing themselves?
user0917239705 3 hours ago|
https://kycnot.me/?categories=esim or simply used a fake identity on some online supplier's website.

UPD: NL, just like some other few countries in EU, doesn't require mandatory identification for SIM card purchases and activation

postalcoder 1 day ago||
What a f-ing nightmare. It's stuff like this where I start to understand Apple's stance on right to repair. How do you maintain hardware security without strict provenance over every component in your device?
ragebol 2 hours ago|
Even if you have perfect provenance over every component you put in, the moment it leaves your factory to be shipped to customers, it can be tampered with.

Even if you would hand it from the factory straight to a customer that comes physically to your factory to pick it up, then you would still require some sort of ID to know that that person is in fact the customer I suppose. Which removes some of the advantages of cryptocurrencies

thot_experiment 3 hours ago||
Amazing, at least we have hackers stepping up to do the work the government refuses to.
whywhywhywhy 1 day ago||
Can see why hardware wallets seemed a good idea at the time but history has shown this is a terrible way to self custody. Compromised devices aside, the KYC data leaks have put people in danger too.
hn_submit 8 hours ago|
LOL why would anyone want a hardware wallet when you can just store your Bitcoins on your own encrypted hard disk or USB stick? Bitcoin is merely a file.

These people are being suckered into a false sense of security with hardware cryptowallets. I mean, it would be very tempting to sell a hardware wallet with a backdoor inside of it to steal everyone's cryptocurrency, wouldn't it?

tredre3 26 minutes ago|
You can use FDE all you want but you're still vulnerable to that file being stolen. Do you install programs from outside your package manager? Do you personally verify and compile everything? Do you pirate stuff? Use npm? Have an AI agent? Do you fully trust the browser sandbox? Click on email attachments? Even if you are Better Than Most, judging by the amount of youtubers that get hacked through stolen cookies, it's clear to me that even above-average people are susceptible to having files stolen.

Keeping your wallet file on a USB stick (or encrypting it) merely reduces the window of time an attacker can get the information. The attacker with local access could simply replace your wallet software. Or make use of a keylogger, screen capture, memory capture, etc.

In that context a dedicated device is the safer approach, and a hardware key is a minimalist device to do that whilst also being less inconvenient than an airgapped dedicated crypto laptop.

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