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Posted by ilreb 7 hours ago

GLM-Legal(z.ai)
387 points | 220 commentspage 4
newsclues 7 hours ago|
Professional AI is so interesting to me, legal, medical, engineering, accounting all can benefit.

And the opportunity for a moat of AI that is correct and accountable(legally) is ripe for the picking.

dyauspitr 7 hours ago||
Lawyers are going to start living gilded lives. I don’t see us getting past their professional human sign-off so they are essentially going to be guaranteed, easy, high paying jobs with the LLMs doing all the heavy lifting in the future.
msdz 7 hours ago||
While I agree on the premise – (written*) lawyer activity being reduced to putting signatures under things – I’m not so sure the gilded part is how it’ll actually play out in practice.

It might also become a race to the bottom, since you can’t deliver on quality better than others anymore, you’ll have to put effort towards quantity. That could mean firms might pressure lawyers to sign as much as possible in a given time, while they’re still personally at risk/responsible for the documents they put out. That means either very hectic reading, and missing details, or no reading at all.

*And like socializer said, the written documents are only one part of the job.

socializer 7 hours ago|||
That's already a thing. You have paralegals do most of the grungy work for much less than your hourly rate. You still have to show up to court and talk to customers, and these parts are not going away.
StevenNunez 7 hours ago|||
Or... the tools get to the point where we don't need a human for expertise but accountability and the role becomes more about ethics, thereby lowering the bar. (PUN!)
Buttons840 7 hours ago|||
I was about to suggest that AI might teach people to become lawyers for cheap and they can just take the BAR exam and become a lawyer...

But then I looked into it and I see that you actually do have to go to certain schools to become a lawyer. Having the knowledge is not enough, you have to pass through the proper (and expensive) gates as well.

I'm not really surprised.

alansaber 6 hours ago|||
This is just SWEs and Consultants discovering the utility of professional regulation. It's still a tough job.
tyromaniac 7 hours ago|||
Do you predict the same paralegal crisis people are claiming about junior swe's?
jackbravo 7 hours ago||
don't most developers do this already? Senior developers. Juniors are having a hard time.
Natsu 7 hours ago||
It looks like they're relying on tracked changes and human review, but I didn't see anything addressing something that has frequently made the news: LLMs outright hallucinating cases or holdings.

If the human lawyers don't catch that on review, they're likely to have an angry judge and an AI saying "absolutely, you were right to call me out on that, I shouldn't have hallucinated a non-existent case and made the judge sanction you."

nullc 2 hours ago||
Great-- send your legal issues to a third party who will have to produce them in response to a subponea. :-/

Come on, z.al --- post the weights!

flessio 31 minutes ago|
A third party in... Singapore? China?

This is dead on arrival just like their, very good, powerpoint building product.

Nobody in the western world wants their value added closed source services (submit your H2 strategy deck to their cloud? Your contracts? I think not) especially when they are priced increasingly close to frontier.

Z.ai doesn't fully appreciate the level of distrust by their clients from western markets for simply being Chinese origin.

They do have credibility but it comes from being both open and having extremely capable models.

Removing one of these pillars makes a marginal risk / reward tradeoff probably a nonstarter.

Maybe LATAM, BRICS, Middle East are more willing to accept a closed / relatively expensive value prop. But not US / EU.

nullc 18 minutes ago||
I mean forget the international intrigue angle. Some jackass troll with some money to burn can file a frivolous lawsuit against you seeking discovery of this material. Either the cost of production or the risk that they can find something embarrassing to pull out of context (or maybe even something debatable as wrong doing) means you'll pay some extortionary settlement to make them go away.

Beyond the obvious possible profit motive these attacks can be arms length arranged by competitors or people with an axe to grind to trip you up and slow you down. Because your activity is valuable to you there is an asymmetry-- they can bring the action cheaply because they aren't risking much, but your defense is expensive because if you flub it you could lose everything.

Part of the value of a legal advisor generally and particularly something like a legal AI is that it lets you map risk surface: "What if we started selling all the customer secrets? would we go to ultra-prison?"-- you don't ask because you're going to do it, you ask to perform a sensitivity analysis, to know where the dragons are hiding, and to setup contingencies. For stuff you're actually doing/going to do you want advice backed by a team who can defend it if it goes wrong.

All of hosted AI is a big risk from the perspective of discovery-- but particularly or legal advice/research that seems extremely radioactive and a bad tradeoff.

If anything being outside of the west might be a slight asset on this risk-- as there is some chance that they respond to a subpoena with "bite me"... but that probably doesn't overcome the other concerns you raise.

iLoveOncall 7 hours ago||
"advancing". Absolutely laughable, we're talking about less than 20% accuracy on benchmarks. 100% useless.
mieladniekzad 3 hours ago|
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