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Posted by meetpateltech 8 hours ago

Muse Wonder(research.meta.ai)
502 points | 270 commentspage 5
loehnsberg 4 hours ago|
It's interesting that in its marketing Meta compares Wonder to the closed frontier models but not the open (Chinese) models. By its own assessment, Meta could easily show how far ahead its own model is against the rest of the pack of open models but they chose not to. Why?
dcchambers 4 hours ago|
> Meta could easily show how far ahead its own model is against the rest of the pack of open models but they chose not to. Why?

Wonder is not an open model and there's no claims that it will be in their announcement.

Despite the claims that they would release weights for Muse Spark, they haven't done that yet either.

Aboutplants 7 hours ago||
Acquihires starting to finally pay off it seems. Bring on the competition
alexdrdr 7 hours ago||
Have I been living under a rock, or this feels out of nowhere from Meta?

Seems they’ve just messed around with cheap and open weight models for years.

Then Muse appears, followed by full suite of frontier models…

ismael_rr 7 hours ago||
they started their massive ai capex over a year ago with aquihiring scale ai, so I think it makes sense that their investment is paying off now. in total they've spent in the high 200 billion on ai, though I think most is likely on datacenters.
saisundar 5 hours ago|||
muse ai was the biggest consumer launch since chatgpt. That left them ( and lets them sit on top of ) tonnes of valuable exchanegs with people trying to get things done. That must be an amazing corpus for training.
Starlevel004 6 hours ago||
Unlike everyone else, which at least has to pretend not to train on user data, they gave out their model for basically free if you agreed to let them train on it. Opencode shows nearly 40 trillion tokens going through muse spark 1.3 contributor this week alone. That almost definitely helped close the gap a lot.
tmaly 6 hours ago||
I noticed Muse Wonder model on OpenRouter is age gated to 18+
sourcecodeplz 4 hours ago||
its three big companies at the frontier now? openai, anthropic and now meta.

why is google still not frontier?

Tactical45 4 hours ago||
They're not until they are. No doubt they are working on something and have better resourcing than the AI labs
mattlondon 4 hours ago|||
Gemini 4 Argon release a few days ago was frontier a few days ago. Things move fast.

I think some of the benchmarks that Meta didn't pick show Gemini 4 Argon ahead but really the benchmarks are not that great any more and getting increasingly disconnected from reality as people search for "headroom" in the evals to avoid saturation I think. Opus 5.5 is "top" for example but I really dislike the way it talks to me (it feels quite condescending, holier-than-thou, uptight etc) and prefer Gemini 3.8 flash as a daily driver just because it's so much more pleasant (and faster!) to work with and it's code is good-enough for my needs, despite being weaker in the benchmarks.

TGower 3 hours ago||
Gemini 4 Argon was announced, but it isn't released yet.
avarun 4 hours ago||
Grok has been at the frontier since 4.6
manlymuppet 5 hours ago||
If I'm reading this right, then at the moment, for certain tasks, this is the best model in the world.

A new company on the frontier. Not close, but actually on it. Wow this is big news.

user43928 7 hours ago||
Apparently the benchmark-winning (behind Opus 5.5) Muse Wonder Full is only currently available to their subscribers.

Only Muse Wonder is available in the API.

mattfrommars 4 hours ago||
This is amazing. I can’t wait benchmark to come out $ per performance
daemonologist 7 hours ago|
Muse Glimmer, Muse Spark, Muse Wonder?

What's next, Sun Shine?

overfeed 6 hours ago|
Shine, Shimmer, Glow, and ultimately, Cherenkov Radiation.
InsideOutSanta 5 hours ago||
Muse Demon Core.
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