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Posted by recvonline 10 hours ago

Firefox Enterprise(www.firefox.com)
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vjvjvjvjghv 1 hour ago|
The typical enterprise "Request a demo" without clear pricing. I think a company like Firefox should lead and publish pricing. I know IT guys are used to this but where I can make decisions this is an immediate showstopper.
CodesInChaos 10 hours ago||
No public price information. I wonder how much they charge.
InsideOutSanta 10 hours ago||
It's enterprise, so the cost is 500k unless you don't want to pay so much, then it's 50k.
KingOfCoders 10 hours ago||
Or the sales rep needs to make their quarterly numbers.
boesboes 10 hours ago|||
That's how you know it's enterprise!
jqpabc123 10 hours ago||
If you have to ask the question, you're probably not going to like the answer.
krautsauer 9 hours ago||
You sure? Maybe I like Mozilla getting some money?
jqpabc123 9 hours ago||
Don't look now but Mozilla has been getting plenty of money. Money by itself is not an issue.

And it's not just me. Looking at market share, most users are clearly underwhelmed with how they use their money.

danillonunes 5 hours ago|||
The money Mozilla gets from Google comes with some sort of gentlemen's agreement where they try to avoid disrupting Google's business. It's nice if they diversify their revenue so they can become more independent.
thaumasiotes 1 hour ago||||
> Don't look now but Mozilla has been getting plenty of money. Money by itself is not an issue.

This isn't quite a complete argument; getting money from funding sources who have strong opinions about your behavior can mean that you can't afford to do some things you might otherwise like to do, even if your bank account at any given moment may look like it would cover those things.

gustavus 10 hours ago||
Now this is the kind of Mozilla project I can get behind it focuses on the browser it gives a potential path for revenue and I practically jumped up and down when they announced their bringing in Thunderbird.

Solid props to Mozilla for this one. Good job.

stuff4ben 10 hours ago||
Right?!? There's a lot of negative sentiment on the comments here on HN but probably from people that don't understand locked down corps and other higher-security work environments where these features are needed. Plus not relying on Microsoft/Google is always a good thing. I can definitely see this being useful in hospitals, government orgs, etc.
mxuribe 9 hours ago||
100% agreed, that this is a great idea for Mozilla! Maybe its not exciting like some new tech....but to those who like firefox and/or support open source offerings, digital sovereignty, etc....and also want to have that as an option at their enterprise, i think this is really good! Now, the hope is that orgs tap into it (so it can keep growing), plus i sure hope Mozilla manages this right...but overall, i think this is very encouraging, and I for one am very happy to see it being offered!
kevincox 10 hours ago|||
Not only revenue but enterprise users are valuable market share. Think of things like Slack calling which last I checked don't work in Firefox unless you spoof the user-agent. More enterprise users will force better Firefox support in a huge variety of websites which will benefit all Firefox users.
t_mahmood 9 hours ago||
Yes, this is good move. I am not getting why are people being up in arms, if they are getting fund from this, it will help improving Firefox, and resolve pain points the complainers have.

All in all good thing, why are they so mad.

alicelik1980 8 hours ago||
It looks good, but it's hard to break habits.
unethical_ban 6 hours ago||
Anything that makes enterprise management of FF easier is a win for the browser environment.

That said, I'm seeing enterprise security companies selling soft forks of Chrome with all sorts of inspection and policy built in. Basically, instead of doing DLP/URL filtering/risk management on a MITM box, they're pushing it to the browser. This helps remove the need for TLS decryption, and the need to funnel their browser traffic to any particular tunnel endpoint.

I guess what I'm saying is... Firefox might want to take a look at what those companies are doing to Chrome and figure if there is a way to make it easy to plug that kind of security into their browser.

edit: just noticed this is a paid service. So I triple down on what I said. Companies that are "buying" browsers are buying browsers with deep inspection and security features baked in. I don't know if they'll buy support for FF when Edge is free.

sekinfo 8 minutes ago||
> Basically, instead of doing DLP/URL filtering/risk management on a MITM box, they're pushing it to the browser. This helps remove the need for TLS decryption, and the need to funnel their browser traffic to any particular tunnel endpoint.

This is where it should have been done in the first place instead of breaking TLS and creating enormous risks when that corporate MITM private key goes for a walk.

I think that these DLP/content inspection solutions should not be preferred as a first line or blanket solution because they are inherently risky and can easily be deployed wrong. Not to mention creating big privacy and security risks for users, such as when someone wants to check their bank balance from their work machine.

But in cases where there is a clear benefit when dealing with highly sensitive information, doing this inspection right in the browser is the least worst option from a security perspective when it is correctly integrated with the browser and not hacked on.

gcp 27 minutes ago|||
What do you specifically mean with "risk management"? Device posture?

I think we hit all the features you mention but not sure about the above.

rockdoe 2 hours ago||
Native DLP is specifically listed as a feature FYI, also mentions compatibility with Broadcom and Trellix.

Edit: "website filtering" too

50208 5 hours ago||
I'm skeptical that Firefox can pull this off ... but this is a product that is needed by business right now. I wish them luck.
SuperNinKenDo 10 hours ago||
So much negativity in here. I mean, I get the antipathy toward Mozilla, but they're trying to find a way to make the actual browser a revenue stream. Yeah it could skew incentives or something, but unless you believe that you, and everyone you know is ready to start a paid subscription to Firefox Personal tomorrow, it's something like this, or more Google deals and pushing "service" integrations.

Seriously, this place is so damn negative these days, but not even constructively.

chrismorgan 9 hours ago||
Mozilla as an organisation is rotten and genuinely needs to die, so that Firefox can live. The only thing from Mozilla that people care about is Firefox, but Mozilla doesn’t care about Firefox to a quite stunning degree. As an example: four or five years ago they announced laying off a quarter of their 1,000 employees, and declared what they were going to be focusing on: none of it was related to Firefox in any way (and most of it they’ve since shut down). And it should go without saying that you don’t need 750 employees to make a browser, and probably can’t effectively use even a hundred.
gcp 2 minutes ago|||
you don’t need 750 employees to make a browser, and probably can’t effectively use even a hundred

Browser engines are incredibly complicated, yet at the same time are very performance and security sensitive while needing insane backwards compatibility and full multi-platform support. That unfortunately requires large teams, which is why there's only Gecko and WebKit/Blink left.

"Making a browser" you can do with a team of 1 person. Just search & replace the branding in the Chromium source.

cozzyd 7 hours ago|||
Just wait until you find out about the organizations that make other browsers
majorchord 6 hours ago||
I guess it's the age old "people want everything for nothing" anti-capitalism trope that never actually works out in their favor.
weare138 3 hours ago||
So where is it? It just says 'Request a Demo'. There's no download. Is this a commercial product/service?
gcp 21 minutes ago|
It's a paid product aimed at the Enterprise market.
ex1fm3ta 9 hours ago||
Yesss this was needed so much.
j45 7 hours ago|
This is an interesting and seemingly obvious idea. Having an independent take on these matters including AI is valuable.
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