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Posted by karakoram 7 hours ago

The United Kingdom generates less electricity per person than in the 1970s(ourworldindata.org)
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barelysapient 5 hours ago|
I wonder if they're paying less than the 70s?
amiga386 5 hours ago|
In the '70s you weren't guaranteed to get the electricity you paid for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Day_Week

> From 1 January 1974, commercial users of electricity were limited to three specified consecutive days' consumption each week and prohibited from working longer hours on those days. Services deemed essential (e.g. hospitals, telephone switchboards, supermarkets and newspaper printing presses) were exempt. Television companies were required to cease broadcasting at 22:30 to conserve electricity [...] The Three-Day Week restrictions were lifted on 7 March 1974.

But nonetheless: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/historic...

    Year  Avg consumer price in today's money
    1975  13p/kWh
    1985  15p/kWh
    1995  n/a
    2005  11p/kWh
    2015  17p/kWh
    2025  26p/kWh
We're currently paying a lot more than usual because:

1) we have to pay off operators for the billions of foreign investment they put into new wind and solar farms and grid storage batteries. If we didn't tempt them with a good RoI, they'd invest elsewhere, and we'd still be burning coal. The cost of this is going down year on year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contracts_for_Difference_(UK_e...

2) we're paying for new transmission capacity and replacing worn out transmission route. The fact we don't already have it, which we could've had by charging more for electricity in the 2000s and building it out decades ago, is why today we face enormous curtailment costs today, as we can't get all this wind power from where it's generated to where it's consumed: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/10/05/the-bottlene...

3) our market arrangement is based on everyone bidding to supply power, and we pay everyone who generates the same rate as the highest necessary bidder. Thus the moment that there isn't enough wind power, or there is but it can't get to the region it's needed (see point 2), in come the gas turbines and given that Russia's trying to destroy Ukraine, gas is astronomically expensive. The sooner we solve our bottlenecks and decommission all the gas turbines, the better.

excannuk 4 hours ago||
Only for three months, and then only due to a labor dispute.

Are those numbers already corrected for inflation?

graemep 4 hours ago||
Electricity in the UK has been reliable my entire life. Lived in the UK for 30 of the last 50 years and can remember four or five power cuts.
butler14 52 minutes ago||
We’ve had 5 that I know about this year (village)
tweetle_beetle 42 minutes ago||
Fair enough, but that would surely be the result of local 'last mile' type infrastructure issues on a tiny scale, rather than wholesale electricity production (not being able to supply a whole city despite all the distribution infrastructure being in place), which is the topic of the article and threads.
saberience 5 hours ago||
Isn't this a good thing? I mean, is there a direct correlation between electricity usage and country = better?
advisedwang 4 hours ago|
Over the 20th century, people switched from fuel based lighting, heating and cooking to electric, and acquired laundry machines, dishwashers, fridges, TVs, air conditioning etc etc. So electricity was a pretty good proxy for a certain aspect of quality of life. It might be a less useful measure in the developed world in the 21st century as we have kind of plateaued on energy-intensive appliances and are more focused on efficiency, and because other aspects of quality of life like pollution, work, mental health etc may be more salient.
dyauspitr 2 hours ago||
I mean, what do you expect out of a resource poor island? The only reason the UK was on the map is because it has intelligent, well spoken people that could make deals and exploit the resources of their colonies. That’s not enough when you don’t have colonies. It’s reverting to the mean.
jbjbjbjb 1 hour ago|
Seems like a bit of misconception given it has coal (more relevant historically), iron, North Sea gas, a temperate climate, fisheries and coastline, plenty of arable land and more recently massive potential for renewable energy.
philipallstar 2 hours ago||
If you import 12 million people in 20 years, your energy generation, water provision, and housing affordability are all going to fall off a cliff vs demand.
orf 1 hour ago|
Why would energy generation fall off a cliff if the population increases by 12 million? How does that makes sense?
MisterMunchkin 1 hour ago||
It’s measured per capita
orf 23 minutes ago|||
That’s both not what you said, and not how energy generation is measured.

> Chernobyl failed when operators attempted to raise the generator from 4 kw/h per capita to 5.7 kw/h per capita

How silly

nicoburns 50 minutes ago|||
I'm pretty sure electricity demand in the UK has been declining in absolute terms, not just per capita.
mhh__ 5 hours ago|
We may genuinely have the worst energy market in the developed world. It's going to get cheaper and reliable any day soon - George monbiot told me so it must be true.