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Posted by 737max 13 hours ago

Gemini 4 Argon(deepmind.google)
See also: Gemini 4 Argon for Robotics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50074869
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tonyhart7 12 hours ago|
why they wait so long ?????
imagetic 8 hours ago||
Now let me use Pi on the plan.
pamir35 8 hours ago||
very bad
pamir35 8 hours ago||
baaad
halyconWays 11 hours ago||
It may be a good model, but I'm not reading scrollslop. It annoys me to much when I'm just trying to get information about something.
dcchambers 11 hours ago||
Not available for AI Pro subscribers in Antigravity. What a disappointment.

Google...why. You keep getting so close but constantly fumble at the last moment. I can use Opus 5.5 and Sol/Astra on the $20 Anthropic and OpenAI plans.

You are already playing from behind. You need to GET YOUR MODELS INTO MORE PEOPLES HANDS by any means possible. Continuing to make it difficult to use your products DOES NOT HELP.

This model might be great but the majority aren't going to subscribe for $100/month just to try it.

WaltPurvis 9 hours ago|
Have they announced that it definitely won't be? If not, it might be just a roll-out hiccup, because Argon is available to me as an agent in Xcode and I only have a Gemini Pro subscription. (Whether or not I'll ever use Argon in Xcode is a different question. I've been so impressed by Claude that I rarely even use my Codex sub. I'll be very interested to hear from others how well Argon does with Swift and SwiftUI.)
dcchambers 8 hours ago||
Their official documentation says it's available to Pro subscribers in the Gemini app only, and available to Ultra subscribers in Antigravity.
rrr_oh_man 6 hours ago||
That's why Gemini 3.1 Pro has been shit for weeks now.
idbnstra 13 hours ago||
so this is prob why antigravity is not working well at the moment lol
llmslave 13 hours ago||
Blatantly obvious that models will not slow down. For any task, if we can build a dataset or environment of verifications, it can be automated. This will eat all of human tasks.

The fact that multiple companies can breach any benchmark means there is no ambiguity in terms of how to build AI, its just a matter of time.

Certainly Meta and Google are benchmaxxing to please public markets, but it still proves the above

efficax 13 hours ago|
but they have slowed down. the delta in capability between model releases now is smaller than ever before and i expect it to continue to diminish until we reach some kind of asymptotic maximum, which hopefully will mean turn towards optimization and local model improvements. The current frontier models running at 10x the tok/s would be incredible for my use cases
CuriouslyC 12 hours ago|||
The delta isn't really slower, we're just unlocking capability bundles in batches. The capabilities bundles you care about might have mostly been unlocked already, and just need refinement, which is coming slower than the initial capabilities came, but don't discount the breadth of advances being made across all possible tasks.
alecst 12 hours ago||||
We're not living in the same universe. Look at capability year-over-year. The asymptotic maximum is wishful thinking. Someone needs to step in before this gets wildly out of control.
4dd3aa 3 hours ago|||
Man this is so cringe.
isqueiros 12 hours ago||||
> Someone needs to step in before this gets wildly out of control. This sounds like a paid bot, lmao.

I wonder how much is actual improvements in the model and how much comes from better harnesses. I'd be willing to bet that the combination of better harnesses + the models being trained around agentic workflows (i.e the harnesses) has made it significantly better in many things, but it's hard to find other improvements imo.

alecst 11 hours ago||
You can see the difference between GPT 3, 4, 5, 6 each year. Same with Gemini and Claude. Look at image and text generation. Code generation. Math ability (Navier Stokes, Quasi-Riemann.)
verdverm 12 hours ago|||
Year-over-year, yes I would agree with you, but that is not the cycle time of models. And while I share the same hunch as GP, I'm waiting another cycle before putting more confidence behind it.
cma 12 hours ago||||
A little over a year ago they were winning their first gold in an elite high school math competition. Have you not seen what they are doing in math now?
llmslave 12 hours ago||||
opus 5.5 is a step change, you arent using the models enough if you think there is a slowdown
efficax 11 hours ago|||
i burn through a $200 claude and $200 codex plan every week. opus 5.5 is not "step change" it's just a bit better, and the benchmarks show this. Honestly with my workflow I cannot really tell the difference between the top models, they're all pretty much the same in capability, just a bit different. You can build software with all of them, and with all of them you have to validate the change thoroughly to not ship stupid bugs
verdverm 12 hours ago|||
I do not see the current training regime of "relentlessly try anything to get the task done" as a true step change in intelligence. This is one of the reasons I suspect capability acquisition is slowing.

A more intelligent model would not default to spaghetti throwing, it would pause to consider the problem fundamentals, the accuracy of assumptions, and ask questions that remove ambiguity. This however does not lend itself to increasing token sales while prices remain inflated from market and brand dominance.

david-gpu 12 hours ago|||
Models just solved a Millennium price and you think their progress is slowing down? I will concede that their capabilities vary a lot from one field to another, but still.
IanCal 13 hours ago|
> built to solve your hardest problems

Like a working scroll on a webpage.

God damn this is impossible to use of safari mobile.

jstummbillig 12 hours ago||
Clicked on "Performance". Scrolled to "Safety".
winwang 9 hours ago||
Lol, this feels like it would otherwise be a good thing, out of context.
InsideOutSanta 10 hours ago|||
Model announcement pages are the absolute worst. This has to be some kind of inside joke among labs, they're trying to see who can build the shittiest page.
throwawayy6767 12 hours ago|||
If you can't afford a Google engineer's high-end device that doesn't lag you don't matter to them :)
medler 12 hours ago||
I have a high-end device and the page still behaves atrociously for me. The scrolling is totally out of whack
yipinwong 10 hours ago|||
Did you know that "walking" while easy for us now, is incredible complicated and complex process?

Argon is trying to solve the "hard" problems like those.

layer8 10 hours ago|||
Scrolling is the new centering. ;)
dymk 11 hours ago|||
The "Explore the latest" section is nearly blank for me - are there supposed to be diagrams or visual aids, or is it one headline and sentence taking up the whole page on cards?
InvisibleUp 13 hours ago|||
It literally can’t load in my mobile web browser without running out of memory and force-refreshing.
boutell 10 hours ago|||
It’s pretty damn hard to use on a desktop! I was rolling the mouse like it was a manual steering wheel
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 13 hours ago|||
Coding is solved, scrolling not yet :)
jedbrooke 13 hours ago|||
worked ok for me on ios safari, but probably because I have the “reduce motion” setting enabled. Every day that setting feels more justified
pierreozoux 12 hours ago|||
I have a more than 10 years old laptop, same feeling here!
oh_no 12 hours ago||
also a mess on desktop firefox
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