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Posted by 737max 9 hours ago

Gemini 4 Argon(deepmind.google)
See also: Gemini 4 Argon for Robotics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50074869
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mridulmalpani 9 hours ago|
It's available for gemini pro users.
jacquesm 8 hours ago|
That depends on where you are.
simedw 5 hours ago||
It shows a good improvement on my COCO object detection benchmark: 0.504 mAP zero-shot.

Gemini 3 Flash was around 0.403, 2.5 Pro was around 0.34.

bushbaba 9 hours ago||
Curious what this means for the anthropic ipo. Between this and meta, seems like there’s zero moat
copperx 7 hours ago|
There IS moat in being the best coding model, but there's no moat if you're not the best.
risphere 3 hours ago||
It's expensive. Google used to release good models that were cheap, but even the new flash models are expensive.
dhruvrrp 6 hours ago||
So who has access to it? The say Ultra and rolling out to Pro, but are those the Google AI plans?

What about the Google One AI plans? Will they get it? That has a Pro AI plan as well.

kylecazar 6 hours ago|
I have it as an option in the Gemini app. I'm a Pro subscriber.
simonw 9 hours ago||
Pricing is interesting. At launch Argon is the same price as GPT-6 Sol, half the price of Claude Opus 5.5 and 1/5th the price of Claude Fable 5.1 and GPT-6 Astra.

But on December 1st Argon doubles in price - so it will be the same price as Opus 5.5.

mdasen 8 hours ago|
I've kinda stopped looking at token pricing. Argon might be the same token pricing as Sol, but in Artificial Analysis' testing, Argon costs 5.8x more to run their coding tasks and 2.2x more for their general index.

Likewise, you look at Artificial Analysis' general index and it cost $8,708 to run with Opus and $2,407 to run with Argon so even if Argon's token price doubles, it won't be the same price as Opus.

Sonnet is cheaper than Opus per-token, but in their coding tests Sonnet burns through enough tokens that it's 7.5% more expensive.

So much depends on how token efficient something is and whether it gets you a good result or not, right?

Plus, if one is using a plan instead of paying token rates, what does my $200 get me from OpenAI, Anthropic, or Google?

It just feels very hard to compare pricing given that the number of tokens used can vary so much. In Artificial Analysis' coding tests, Sonnet used 7.1x more tokens than Sol. Sonnet and Sol might have the same per-token pricing, but there's a huge difference in the number of tokens used.

simonw 7 hours ago||
Yeah, this is one of the most interesting challenges around model price comparisons.

This was hardly a consideration a year ago, when many model tasks could be tested using a single prompt and it was hard to spend more than a dollar.

akbarian 6 hours ago||
Wow, the site for the launch is horrible on mobile
npn 8 hours ago||
It passed the test of using latest crystal-lang concurrent feature (with web search) when gemini 3.8 flash failed (again, with web search enabled). I think it is at least useful for coding, for sometime.

It still thinks Charlie Kirk is alive, though.

meerita 9 hours ago||
All AI pages now include canvas animations. There isn't a single page without one. This is neither good nor bad, just an observation. I think OpenAI has the best animations so far, with Anthropic in second place. This one looks a bit off.
tintor 7 hours ago|
Is there a benchmark for reverse engineering compiled programs? - Grader compiles a program to binary -> Agent has to reverse it back, and match all bugs and behavior.
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