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Posted by bhrlady 21 hours ago

ICE Planning $100M 'Nightmare' Domestic Spy Program(prospect.org)
520 points | 322 commentspage 3
gib444 20 hours ago|
So, a Stasi more or less? Or perhaps KGB is more accurate
java-man 20 hours ago|
Guess is where Kash is right now and what dictators our dear leader really likes.
HoldOnAMinute 20 hours ago||
Hot take: This is a grifting and jobs program, not an actual solution to a real problem.
lifeisloving 19 hours ago||
Whats the "real" problem? People working for roofing companies? American citizens commit more crime than immigrants by an order of magnitude.
parineum 19 hours ago||
People doing illegal things is the problem. Change the law if you think it's wrong but it's the executive branch's duty to enforce the law.

You can't sit back here and be upset that Trump decides to selectively enforce the law in the ways he sees fit while approving of the exact behavior when there's a different executive.

This is why the problem of executive power exists, people only care when they disagree and actively approve when they agree.

lifeisloving 19 hours ago||
Nope, I can distinguish between what is right and "wrong" without arbitrary laws decided by <1k corrupt politicians (Ds and Rs).

I dont make judgements about what a problem is based on whether a law says it is. You should be experiencing the world outside the framework of imaginerary legal constructs.

If America tends to create laws that are antithetical to common sense and goodness, maybe its the problem. Maybe we need to do away with the whole system, not patch it.

I think you've misjudged me, I think Biden, and Trump should be sharing the same jail cell. I dont approve of basically any US politician, they're all morally corrupt and outright evil.

parineum 19 hours ago||
> If America tends to create laws that are antithetical to common sense

That isn't the root of the problem at all. The root of the problem is we have certain laws that, under some administrations, are barely enforced. Then, under another administration, there are a large group of people who have been flouting the law because it wasn't being enforced.

You've now created huge class of people who have very tenous legal status, based on the whims of the executive. That's the problem.

US immigration laws are some of the most relaxed in the world. There's plenty of debate on whether that should change or not (and how). But circumventing the legislative process might make you feel good about the immediate problem but it creates a side effect of having an underclass of non-citizens that live under constant threat of deportation and have limited access to social programs.

The only judgement I've made of you is that you seem to think not enforcing the law based on personal feelings is right and you've only confirmed that.

In a democracy, the law isn't just some words on papers, it represents the collective moral judgement of the voting population. It is inherently antithetical to democracy to ignore laws you don't agree with.

> Maybe we need to do away with the whole system, not patch it.

Pretty ironic considering this entire situation is caused by people ignoring the system rather than patching it.

hobo123 20 hours ago|||
I think it's a Curtis Yarvin take that political power is based on a party's jobs program. In that sense this is never surprising.
ourmandave 20 hours ago|||
The starting people will have top secret security clearance. =(
pixelready 20 hours ago||
Grifting, purchasing loyalty, and building a police state panopticon in case of inconvenient election results. A real dystopic trifecta!
kittikitti 20 hours ago||
YCombinator and their lackies in Big Tech have promoted these types of abuses to occur. The comment section here will be filled with people who lack any substance but will gladly provide lip service. The stories of the modern day Gestapo cannot be told without Silicon Valley.
georgemcbay 19 hours ago|
YC loves domestic spying. They can't get enough of it. Flock, Conntour, Lexius, Protent, Ornadyne, AvairSense, etc.
rl3 16 hours ago||
>YC loves domestic spying.

Now the submission has been flagged off the main page. Imagine that.

chinathrow 20 hours ago||
US of A fone fully rogue. With the help of the tech bros.
ActorNightly 20 hours ago||
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mindcrime 20 hours ago|
Speaking as a die-hard Libertarian who has seen the Democrats and Republicans as approximately equally undesirable for most of my life... I'm voting for every Democrat I can at the Federal level in this coming election. Possibly at the State level as well. Because what the modern day GOP has become is so vile, so reprehensible, that there is now a legit reason for preferring one over the other. And we have to have people in office who can check or counteract at least some of what these Fascist assholes are trying to do.

Will I have to pinch my nose to vote Democrat? Absolutely. Will I feel icky doing it? Absolutely. But will I do it anyway because it's the best choice given the current situation? Absolutely.

kennywinker 19 hours ago||
Fingers crossed this election isn't stolen. We know they'll try, but here's hoping they're thwarted.
jonathanstrange 20 hours ago||
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lifeisloving 19 hours ago||
Well there's a reason why people have been calling the US the 4th Reich for the last 10-20 yrs. Its not just political, the similarties are there.
rjsw 20 hours ago||
The Gestapo didn't really spy on German citizens, it just waited for those good citizens to denounce each other then rounded them up.
koolba 20 hours ago||
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nyc_data_geek 20 hours ago||
The Fourth Amendment to the constitution disagrees. Blanket surveillance by definition flies in the face of our right against unreasonable search.
tuvix 20 hours ago|||
> “shooting somebody in the face with a gun”

If you try to visualize this in action, replace somebody with a bad guy. And you quickly see there’s nothing inherently wrong with the idea.

A_D_E_P_T 20 hours ago|||
> If you try to visualize this in action, replace economic migrants from Latin America with spies from China. And you quickly see there’s nothing inherently wrong with the idea.

Is this a joke?

outside1234 20 hours ago|||
Now replace "spies from China" with "your husband/wife", and you will see, that yes, there is something inherently wrong with the idea
ourmandave 20 hours ago|||
"Nightmare" program is right. When the wifey asks where I was last night and can check my story with the ICE app.
Isamu 20 hours ago|||
Yeah what’s disingenuous about the “spies from China” is that if they are already identified as spies they would be under targeted surveillance already.
snapcaster 20 hours ago|||
Do you think privacy has value?
usernomdeguerre 20 hours ago||
Dangerously foolish.
charcircuit 17 hours ago||
It is tiring to hear law enforcement be described as a weapon. Law enforcement keeps society functioning. Journalists and public figures who rule up people to be against the law are the real bad actors here trying to subvert American society.
GetTheFacts 14 hours ago||
>It is tiring to hear law enforcement be described as a weapon. Law enforcement keeps society functioning. Journalists and public figures who rule up people to be against the law are the real bad actors here trying to subvert American society.

Tell that to Ilhan Omar[0], Letitia James[1]. James Comey[2], Renee Goode[3], Alex Pretti[4] and countless others.

How does that boot leather taste, friend?

[0] https://www.politico.com/news/2026/10/12/ilhan-omar-home-rai...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Letitia_James

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_James_Comey

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti

nonethewiser 10 hours ago|||
Actions have consequences.
GetTheFacts 9 hours ago||
>Actions have consequences.

Be specific. What actions? And what are appropriate consequences for such undefined "actions"?

Don't be vague, friend. If you have an argument to make, then make it. Otherwise, you're just wasting everyone's time.

charcircuit 8 hours ago|||
Supporting law enforcement is not boot licking. And yes I will tell that to all those people you listed. Law enforcement needs to enforce laws and control over those trying to commit violence and fraud to others.
grumio 13 hours ago||
> It is tiring to hear law enforcement be described as a weapon. Law enforcement keeps society functioning. Journalists and public figures who rule up people to be against the law are the real bad actors here trying to subvert American society.

ICE is against the law. Here's some videos of them doing illegal things.

https://www.propublica.org/article/videos-ice-dhs-immigratio...

> after more than an hour, agents held down Zapata Rivera’s arms. One, who Zapata Rivera’s lawyer says wore a baseball cap reading “Ne Quis Effugiat” — Latin for “So That None Will Escape” — pressed his thumbs into the arteries on Zapata Rivera’s neck. The young man then appeared to pass out as bystanders screamed.

> The technique is known as a carotid restraint. The two carotid arteries carry 70% of the brain’s blood flow; block them, and a person can quickly lose consciousness. The tactic can cause strokes, seizures, brain damage — and death.

> In a bystander video of Zapata Rivera’s arrest, his eyes roll back in his head and he suffers an apparent seizure, convulsing so violently that his daughter, seated in his lap, shakes with him.

> In a social media post after the incident and in its statement to ProPublica, DHS did not cite a deadly threat. Instead, it referenced the charges against Zapata Rivera’s wife and suggested he had only pretended to have a medical crisis while refusing help from paramedics. “Imagine FAKING a seizure to help a criminal escape justice,” the post said.

charcircuit 8 hours ago||
I don't feel sympathy towards those assaulting law enforcement. They brought it upon themselves by doing illegal things. We cannot have people assaulting law enforcement. This is not how civilized society works.
jimmydoe 20 hours ago|
I'd rather my tax money wasted on get US people watched and silenced, than bombing schools and killing children in Middle East.

I mean if I can choose, I want my tax money spent on making Americans healthier, but I don't get to choose. ICE has $70B to spend, this is just 1/700. I'm sure they will do more before next congress trying to crawl back their money.

collinmcnulty 20 hours ago||
If the people in the US get watched and silenced, how will they effectively pressure the govt to not bomb children in the Middle East?
rhyperior 20 hours ago|||
I can’t fathom this kind of thinking. It’s not a case of having to choose between the lesser of evils, it’s a case of having some principles and making decisions based on them.

You can say no.

newspaper1 19 hours ago||
It's the same forces doing the bombing and the spying. Want to object to Israel/the US murdering a school full of girls? Guess what, now you've got a Palantir tag on you. Push hard enough and maybe Bill Ackman will jump on Twitter and get you blacklisted.