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Posted by aaraujo002 8 hours ago

Simons Foundation launches $15M effort to help mathematicians navigate AI era(www.simonsfoundation.org)
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maxdo 7 hours ago|
i think tokens for any scientists should be free.
sejje 7 hours ago||
Tokens aren't free, so I guess you mean we should force AI companies to subsidize scientists.
tatjam 5 hours ago|||
Is it even subsidy after the training? One could argue scientific papers are a huge fraction of the reason LLMs are good
ToucanLoucan 6 hours ago||||
Genuinely the least they could do for what a pox they are on so many industries, on consumers of electronics, on local municipalities, on the environment...
sejje 4 hours ago||
Maybe, but us forcing it on them is a much different thing.
ToucanLoucan 4 hours ago||
I mean I can't speak for most people, but if the people I read are any indication, a whole lot of regular people are sick and tired of tech companies announcing their presence in our society and then immediately setting about making daily life worse for everyone but them.

So you'll have to excuse me but I'm not even getting the tiny violin out of the case for this one.

sejje 4 hours ago||
So what? Who cares what you and a bunch of regular people are tired of?

That doesn't mean you get to take over private companies and start telling them where to spend their money.

This isn't about sympathy for one, or even all of these companies. I hate more than one of them myself, and wish for their demise.

But I like America, freedom, capitalism.

ToucanLoucan 3 hours ago||
> So what? Who cares what you and a bunch of regular people are tired of?

Anyone in a position of power who doesn't want to end up killed? Like I'm not advocating for violence here, I'm just saying the list of political figures who "didn't care what regular people thought" and the list of political figures who were then subsequently murdered in public acts of political violence are a venn diagram that's practically a circle.

> That doesn't mean you get to take over private companies and start telling them where to spend their money.

I didn't advocate anything like that.

> But I like America, freedom, capitalism.

And I like people being able to live a good life, which Capitalism and lately America itself seem to be opposed to. Do you have an actual counterpoint to make or just more chest-beating?

sejje 3 hours ago||
My point has been reiterated several times, I'm sorry you missed it: you don't get to translate your bad feelings into seizing/directing private companies and how they distribute their compute.

You can say you do, by threat of death for disobedient politicians, but...well, that's bullshit. The people murdering & attempting to murder politicians don't fit the description of "regular people." And you're almost entirely incapable of directing policy with that tactic.

BowBun 6 hours ago|||
Seems fair when the same companies pilfer public goods like physical infrastructure and our internet privacy.
bdzr 7 hours ago|||
ok hello I'm a scientist can I have my tokens now
the__alchemist 7 hours ago|||
And herein lies the rub: As others have pointed out in another active thread on AI in mathematics: The crisis could be described as one of career, status, and funding vs the general concept of the field. We have now circled back to question of who deserves these tokens!
ks2048 7 hours ago||||
Google will give free tokens to 10,000 scientists:

https://ai.google/gemini-for-science/

crassglassass 7 hours ago||||
Sure, everyone's a scientist now.

We will only give the free tokens to the top X% of scientists, which is now a much smaller pool and you are unlikely to be considered LLMs or not.

warkdarrior 6 hours ago||
How does one become a top X% of scientists without tokens?
crassglassass 6 hours ago||
You have:

1. exceptionally high IQ

2. Enough resources to bootstrap yourself

Those are who survives in the new economy with any modicum of quality of life.

The_Blade 7 hours ago|||
no i'm sciencing i want my victory tokens and your victory tokens and your victory peptides too 15.10.26 hn ref uncareer doubleplusungood rectify
bethekidyouwant 7 hours ago||
I for one support using our tax money to fund scientists
himata4113 7 hours ago|||
I belive that the world would be in a much better place if all science was ultimately funded by a global organization such as UN and patents did not exist. If you are a research group that successfully creates something worth replicating then you should be eligable to receive a grant as well as request grants for projects that cost billions of dollars.

There is some success with this kind of strategy already when it comes to space, LHS and ITER come to mind. NASA is somewhat operating on this very same principle although it is a government organization to begin with.

Although the opposite reaction is that you should keep people behind inventions poor to encourage them to create more inventions which ultimately what ends up happening in the real world more often than not. The people who revolutioned the world did get fame and glory, including numerous monetary compensation packages - but compared to the people who sold those inventions they only got a tiny fraction of a fraction, this is especially clear with people who are normal employees and inventions are credited to a company rather than the few people who made it possible.

cute_boi 7 hours ago|||
May be instead of funding military or other countries, they can fund scientist.. And all the tax funded must be in public domain instead of giving it to private companies.
1293816928 7 hours ago|
"One of the foundations responsible for the AI mess bribes mathematicians to accelerate AI."

How shameless can you be?

schleck8 7 hours ago|
What mess?