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Posted by johnbehnke 2 hours ago

New Withings Users Must Pay $99/Year for Apple Health Syncing(support.withings.com)
74 points | 46 commentspage 2
TomAnthony 55 minutes ago|
The Withings app has just got consistently worse and worse over the last few years. I just wanted some scales that would sync to my phone and record my weight over time.

Now the app is absolutely bloated and I can barely find my weight, and the syncing has become _much_ less stable, and the app is constantly asking me to sign in again.

Amazing how they were from good, to bad, to terrible.

alistairSH 1 hour ago||
Assuming the Withings app is on the same phone as the HealthKit account, there's no "cloud" involved. This is 100% grift. I hope nobody buys these.
iAMkenough 1 hour ago|
Yeah, I got turned off when I realized you can’t sync these devices via Bluetooth or LAN.

Required path is: Scale data -> WiFi -> Internet -> Withings app -> HealthKit

altairprime 50 minutes ago|||
There’s an HA integration path for the scale to HA but I don’t believe anyone has yet built the HA to HealthKit side of that.
iAMkenough 30 minutes ago||
Doesn’t that require using the Withings API (cloud)?

Looks like HA updated their documentation to reflect the $99/yr requirement: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/withings/

altairprime 19 minutes ago|||
Whoever wrote https://didac.dev/blog/i-made-my-withings-scale-sync-to-home... apparently got it working with Bluetooth LE and an esp32 chip. Sadly, they didn’t share their code yet, and as I lack their social media options I can’t email them requesting they post it. Perhaps they’ll see this comment, or perhaps someone else will repeat the solution and post it this time — but without the HealthKit path, there’s not much gain to be had over just manually typing the weight measured into the Health app.
mikestew 1 hour ago|||
Is that my problem? I figured that WiFi access was enough to hit my phone to update HealthKit, but I never gave the scale access to the Internet ("you can go live over there on the IoT VLAN with the other tattletale devices").

Well, fuck that. Now I'm really, really, really not going to buy a Withings product again.

iAMkenough 57 minutes ago||
Mine died after a year, which I suspect is because my spouse used it after showers, and they’re not designed to handle bathroom moisture. Not even rated as water resistant.

Never again.

altairprime 2 hours ago||
For those who want to have a bottom line impact and have time & money to spare, purchase a scale or a blood pressure monitor from Apple Store online, try to set it up on your phone until you hit the new paywall, and then call and arrange to return it; when asked, explain that it requires a $100/year subscription for Apple HealthKit support and that you’re offended at Apple for omitting that. It’s quite possible that Withings made this change without notifying Apple, and a handful of such returns could lead Apple to pull all Withings products from their sales channels in response. Or it could just be wasted time, and Apple’s fine with it, but there’s no easier way to find out — and this sales channel is probably valuable enough to Withings that losing access to it might cost them their entire projected revenue gains from the fee.
rpdillon 52 minutes ago||
This is sort of an old-man-yells-at-clouds comment, but I recently realized that most of the new stuff companies sell is pretty much a solution in search of a problem. Apple's whole announcement this past week was like this, but I'm feeling the same way about smartwatches, smart homes, and the like lately as well.

For most folks, I feel like spending 20 minutes a day on Darebee would be more effective than their $20/month subscription to their $600 smartwatch.

https://darebee.com/

hypfer 50 minutes ago||
Why does everything on this website have to be a bait-and-switch funnel to some kind of (self-)Promotion.
malfist 44 minutes ago||
Tell me, what part of your workout program you're pitching can inform me how much I weigh? How about my body fat percentage? Can it tell me my heart rate?
niels8472 1 hour ago||
But but... it has an "AI Connector" now (this is literally one of the reasons).
haute_cuisine 1 hour ago||
I honestly don't have anything against them moving apple sync behind the paywall. It's really hard to justify doing any kind of ongoing maintenance and rnd from one-time sales. If they ship good durable things, there might not be enough people willing to buy that stuff, they're also forced to constantly find new customers.
mikestew 54 minutes ago||
It's really hard to justify doing any kind of ongoing maintenance and rnd from one-time sales.

What kind of water-carrying excuse is that? Multibillion dollar companies have been created doing exactly that for decades. Withings has somehow managed to stay in business for nearly 20 years...doing exactly that.

haute_cuisine 8 minutes ago||
What if their model is sustainable only when new people keep buying? Once all who would buy bought, they can't survive on existing customer base.
wat10000 54 minutes ago|||
What ongoing maintenance is required beyond what would be needed to keep their app working for future sales anyway?
lokar 29 minutes ago||
They do need to keep up with API changes. But that’s not that hard. Even then, they could expose a stable local API so someone else can maintain the adapter.
haute_cuisine 21 minutes ago|||
Why would someone else maintain the adapter? Would they be charging for maintenance (or selling data / network) as well? What company should give their business to somebody else?

I assume writing and maintaining apps across all stack of devices is real work that someone has to do full time with a decent level of quality. Unfortunately, you can't just ship software and call it done, even without adding features, new devices are getting released, new OS versions are getting released, new security updates are getting released, server infra has to be maintained and patched.

I feel that all this work isn't getting appreciated and many think that this should be offloaded to somebody else to be done for free. They already offer a free app with free CSV export.

Also, they just might have taken on too much scope and paying for all that scope isn't sustainable from hardware sales alone, unless people continue to buy, but at some point all who would buy will have their devices and scope can't be covered anymore.

lokar 8 minutes ago||
I would give it a shot. Home assistant is full of adapters like this.

I though the CSV export was manual, you can’t automate it.

wat10000 25 minutes ago|||
Right, but they need to keep up with those changes to support their continuing sales anyway, so it’s “free” to keep supporting the existing installed base too.
ebtebt 1 hour ago||
What?! How about providing value so that it is actually worth purchasing a subscription?
haute_cuisine 27 minutes ago||
Subscription isn't required to use the device.
TheCoelacanth 1 hour ago|
The entire economy is a grift now.
bigwheels 46 minutes ago|
That's late stage capitalism for ya.