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Posted by vinipolicena 2 days ago

"I'm on a war footing": Terry Tao and the crisis in math(www.nytimes.com)
https://archive.ph/bid95
39 points | 26 comments
fooker 1 minute ago|
I find this entirely self serving.

Terrence Tao was very supportive of AI and formalizing math with lean when it looked like it was giving ‘generalists’ like him over mathematicians too deep into one particular niche field.

But now that it’s letting everyone, including mathematicians who are perhaps too specialized, explore ideas and patterns from related math fields, he’s suddenly ‘on a war footing’.

throwyawayyyy 13 minutes ago||
Has OpenAI shared any new interesting _problems_? I.e. do more than strip-mine mathematics, as said in the article, but said: "Here is a question I cannot answer, it's interesting for this and that reason, I believe it's true for this and that reason, it's beyond me though, have at it." Has that happened yet?
arjie 8 minutes ago|
AFAIK it has not happened.

Considering that this is where the mathematician excels over machine wouldn’t that only offer a new view from such a mathematician that “OpenAI has rapaciously stolen from mathematics that last dignity: of choosing worthy problems”? Perhaps with sufficient effort the community of mathematicians may yet forestall such an effort.

magicalist 57 seconds ago||
> wouldn’t that only offer a new view from such a mathematician

Don't invent things to get mad about, please.

arjie 11 minutes ago||
> Much as one cannot unhear a movie spoiler or a crossword clue, one cannot explore a problem as profitably and richly once one is aware of an existing solution

Certainly, it’s like being made aware of cheat codes to video games: One doesn’t enjoy the game as much after but surely knowing something is true means you can find many other things that come from the pathway to it now that you know it’s true. Lots of science and tech is like this where someone shows something is doable and then people find better ways to do it but until that person showed it was doable there was no progress.

> I am horrified by the many person-years” of research, particularly by young mathematicians, “being casually disrupted or destroyed,” he wrote.

That’s what technology does. And he might be upset but we’re the ones paying for it and frankly, I’m happier to have more questions answered than for fewer answered but in an artisanal fashion.

Most notable is the fact that the released facts are like “treated waste”. But if the question was worth answering and the value is only in a good answer and not simply a correct answer, then the value has simply not been realized.

But that feels strange then that the value is in the good answer, not just a right answer and yet one finds oneself unable to go get the good answer because a correct answer exists.

The fact that any answers are made public at all is useful to us all. That’s free knowledge. Would it have been better if OpenAI had discovered this very achievable fact and not said anything? Surely the papers, post discovery would have spoken of the “hoarding” of such “essential human knowledge”.

Overall, I find the thing unconvincing wholly.

bagacrap 41 minutes ago||
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ViktorRay 42 minutes ago||
I find it interesting that, several years ago when discussing AI, folks used to focus on how automation would first come for blue collar work. Things like driving being automated and truck drivers replaced. And then eventually on the horizon we would see things like this.

But we still have no self driving cars. Seems like the automation came by in the opposite direction. Perhaps driving will actually be the final thing automated.

JLO64 37 minutes ago||
> But we still have no self driving cars

While I agree with your statement overall, as someone who drives everyday in LA alongside Waymos without anyone inside of them I must disagree with this aspect of it.

SchemaLoad 15 minutes ago||
We still have no general self driving cars. What we have is a bunch of geofenced tests. While we are closer than ever, we are still seemingly a long way away from truck drivers being obsolete was foretold over 10 years ago now.
reilly3000 11 minutes ago||
“General” would mean winter driving and I’m not aware of any large-scale tests of things like icy conditions on hills.

Edit: nevermind. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/waymo-toronto-winter-self-d...

mattnewton 33 minutes ago|||
An LLM automating web developers with 99% success rate saves the company millions of dollars and allows them to launch products and features faster.

A truck or a car that has a 99% success rate would be the top threat to society and quickly rise to the leading cause of death under 30 if widely deployed.

numbsafari 11 minutes ago||
Examples?
skybrian 12 minutes ago|||
It seems fairer to say that the Waymo fleet has >4,000 driverless cars [1]. There is still a long way to go, but it's rising.

[1] https://pages.skybrian.com/2026/waymo-robotaxi-fleet/

fliglr 24 minutes ago|||
Driving is heavily regulated, and there are a million interest groups lining up to sue to stop self-driving. Imagine all the people who make their money from car crashes, for example.
layer8 16 minutes ago|||
The physical world is still more difficult and messy than discrete logic (theorems, software).
dyauspitr 15 minutes ago|||
> But we still have no self driving cars.

Do you live under a rock?

eecks 6 minutes ago|||
0 self driving cars in my country
avazhi 11 minutes ago|||
Uh, they aren’t trustworthy and they aren’t fully autonomous. So no, we indeed do not.
bluefirebrand 36 minutes ago|||
Driving is actually regulated.

Something I'm noticing a lot is that automation finds easy footholds in unregulated industries because there's no basis to push back on it. And there's a lot more tolerance for poor quality work in unregulated industries too.

BurningFrog 28 minutes ago|||
I have a self driving Tesla, as do many others.
HoldOnAMinute 22 minutes ago||
(Supervised)
za_creature 24 minutes ago||
Broadly speaking, this is proof that there will be no jobs coming after AI.

All past inventions have put some of the most miserable humans out of a job. Farming by hand is hard, so is copying books and don't even get me started on the dullness of making clothes by hand.

Driving all day isn't all that far off, though still much better than the above and definitely better than riding horses all day.

Telegraph operators? Hell no. Dude sitting in an elevator all day? No thanks.

It's always been from the other end. This time around, there's gonna be some 10-20 years of robot manufacturing, then a universal lifetime of robots fighting misaligned robots until enough paperclips have been manufactured.

Or you know, we block out the sun and live in caves or whatever you fancy.

zer00eyz 39 minutes ago||
> They “used math for what they needed, which was to evaluate their models,”

OAI first paper on the prize was a pretty shitty thing to do. But the rest of this looks like they are just mining the corpus and taking a brute force approach to do it.

Im going to say this again, the "pure math" academic types need to get a grip. Plenty of your peers got PHD's and happily made a fortune in finance, while screwing the world (See 2008 housing bubble) and none of you said a peep about that.

spiderfarmer 12 minutes ago|
Plenty of welders made weaponry that killed babies and none of the famous DIY Youtubers spoke out against that either.
typedef_struct 22 minutes ago|
TLDR: "I didn't understand this proof and there is no one to explain it to me"
ademup 15 minutes ago|
The TLDR seems perhaps tongue-in-cheek, but it's a worthy thought: the situation where our best experts find new science to be inscrutable is close at hand, if not here now.

Humans have been guilty of burying things we don't understand for millenia. Will we continue to do so "because AI"?