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Posted by ChrisArchitect 9 hours ago

Waymo in Toronto(waymo.com)
228 points | 331 commentspage 4
mlmonkey 7 hours ago|
They keep announcing new cities, but do they really follow up and actually launch there? I remember a couple of years ago they announced NYC as a market, but I don't think they're fully launched in NYC yet.
bhelkey 6 hours ago|
Earlier this year, Waymo had a permit to test 8 autonomous vehicles with safety drivers in NYC. The permit was not renewed [1]. Waymo can no longer drive autonomously (even with a safety driver behind the wheel) in NYC.

[1] https://www.thecityreporter.nyc/2026/04/06/waymo-driverless-...

bix6 8 hours ago|
Waymo is great. But I don’t want it in my town. More money and data for Google. No improvement to my local public transport.
labrador 8 hours ago|
A lot of women want it along with the ability to order Uber/Lyft from women drivers only.
bix6 8 hours ago|||
Fair point, Uber has a female driver mode now.

Doesn’t change my desire for better public transport though.

gosub100 8 hours ago||||
What about race or religious preference too?
braj0 7 hours ago|||
Yeah, if its OK to discriminate on the basis of the immutable characteristics of the Gender class, it should be OK to discriminate based on other characteristics as well.

Its very bigoted and regressive that you can be charged a 'cover' just because you have the wrong genitalia and belong to the wrong gender. I don't see how that's any better then charging a cover because someone has the 'wrong' skin color.

Of course, we have very bigoted courts here in the US that consistently rule to discriminate against men. I promise you if people respond to this comment it will be to argue how discrimination against men is justified and should continue.

catlikesshrimp 8 hours ago|||
Cathering to racism now? /s ?
SoftTalker 7 hours ago||
But sexism is OK?
catlikesshrimp 3 hours ago||
I don't understand why you think anyone is supporting sexism...

Saying "Think of the women" as you say "think of the children" as a blanket statement can be malicious. Reasoning requires hard data, not evoking feelings.

ktosobcy 8 hours ago|||
Maybe fix underlying social problem instead of forcing more crap that tries to patch the absolute terrible state?
mikepurvis 8 hours ago|||
That's a very different problem that probably has a generational timetable.

Letting women get home safely with a robot driver is a thing that can happen today.

catlikesshrimp 8 hours ago|||
Not today. Not next year, either. And calling taxi service that dangerous is an exageration. Preference enhanced by that type of comments would be more accurate
mikepurvis 4 hours ago||
I guess? I was on a date with someone and we took an uber back to her place after a concert, and she mentioned off-hand afterward that had I not been there she would have just walked... even though it would have been over an hour on foot, it just wasn't worth the risk after multiple bad/creepy experiences taking carshares home late at night.

Maybe it's a bit like cops: they're not all bad, but the system is kind of set up so that bad ones thrive and good ones burn out. It's going to be a particularly kind of person who is willing to spend their late Friday night driving drunk people home from the club, and honestly if you're a vulnerable person, maybe the guy most willing to do that job is the one you least want as your particular driver.

catlikesshrimp 3 hours ago||
Fair. There is no reason to not believe you. Women are more vulnerable than men. Still, calling the service dangerous without any backing, by some report in addition to annecdata, is offensive, and only does a service to the provider, however well meaning the deduction may be.
mikepurvis 3 hours ago||
It's definitely not nothing, and the numbers bear that out: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59008000

Whether this is one of those "we accept some number of school shootings cause gun freedoms are just so great" issues or not is I guess its own matter for debate. But the fact that this happens, and then as dudes we get to discuss it at arms length on the internet and opine about whether "99% of trips completed without incident" is reason to dismiss it all out of hand may help explain why an individual woman getting home from the bar might choose to walk or take waymo vs getting in a cab and risk joining the unlucky 1%.

catlikesshrimp 3 hours ago||
The link you posted leads to the lyft report. The incidents we are talking about, vulnerable groups, is at worst 1/800,000 which corresponds to Touching

https://assets.ctfassets.net/q8mvene1wzq4/4jxkFTH5YCQK8T96ST...

1% Is a gross exageration if you go by this article / document.

Since you mentioned weapons: Robotaxis will have a social cost, and in Canada that is important in a way not seen in the US. Unlike weapons, there will be not much discussion about robo-everything.

wetwater 6 hours ago|||
Surveilling on women without their knowledge and then using that footage as you like is dangerous too. Tech companies are famous for their ethics. Letting women get into a cab controlled by an overseas driver seems dangerous too.

Lets not hide profits behind women's safety.

mikepurvis 4 hours ago||
I'm not sure if I buy this, it seems like it's a bit of a turtles-all-the-way-down discussion. Like a vulnerable person ordering a taxi also has a phone, which is the ultimate surveillance endpoint, and opens them up to potential abusive behaviour from employees of their phone maker, their telco, and every app they have on there, including the rideshare ones which by necessity have precise location and other permissions.

At the end of the day, a man driving them home and knowing their home address while right there is a much more immediate and specific point of threat than "I'm being surveilled while I travel in a Google-controlled robotaxi".

Also, like it or hate it, but Google actually has a pretty decent track record with protecting their customers from their own employees. Gmail and gsuite content stays private, and there are enough protections in place to satisfy insurance companies, medical institutions, banks, and even governments. If a Waymo kidnapped or killed someone under the control of an overseas remote operator, it would be national news and congressional hearings; a person getting assaulted by a cab driver is nowhere near that level.

I just don't think "but Google/Waymo bad too" is a reason to poo poo someone feeling more comfortable sitting alone in a robotaxi than sitting alone in a cab or an uber.

echelon_musk 8 hours ago|||
Where's the profit in that?