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Posted by RobotToaster 8 hours ago

RepRapMicron(github.com)
303 points | 46 comments
mikewarot 4 hours ago|
I feel like we're reliving the late 1790s again, back then you had Ramsden figuring out how to divide the circle into into seconds of arc, taking the marking of scales from an artform into something that could be manufactured reliably. Maudslay with his thread cutting lathe took the making of screws from a manual process pawned off on apprentices to something that that could be done in mass production. Wilkinson's boring machine made it possible for Watt to build a pressurized steam engine.

All of these tools are based on things that were one-offs of earlier efforts, and turned into practical machine tools by someone that history chose to remember. We're now at the point where making things by manipulating individual atoms is something a determined amateur can do, it's amazing!

I find myself fascinated by the Wyler Inclinometer, which uses a thin copper disk with spiral arms as the basis of a differential capacitor, and when complete, resulting in a device that can used to calibrate a granite surface plate. It can typically measure 1 micron/meter of deviation.

We now have 3d printers that can reliably make almost anything you want by fusing filament, or stereolithography, or fusion of metal powders. You can buy desktop 5 axis CNC machines. There are control systems available to let you build almost any type of machine tool you can imagine, in as many axis as you want.

We've got software defined radio, cheap atomic clocks, transistors that can switch megawatts, all within reach of a hobbyist.

What an amazing time to be alive.

tau255 1 hour ago||
Do you have any links/sources about that Wyler Inclinometer you could share?
slingvora 3 hours ago||
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CarVac 7 hours ago||
Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvV2CH5il3Q

And the channel's preceding few videos covering the development of the prerequisite technologies.

chris_swart 6 hours ago|
This video was amazing, thank you for sharing. What are the main applications for this technology with a home setup?
MitPitt 5 hours ago||
affordable housing for everyone. a bit tight but it's a start
godber 7 hours ago||
Thank god, in 18 months we can start making our own RAM.
7373737373 7 hours ago||
Just need a garden shed: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HfSO-LCKmrA
generuso 6 hours ago|||
The guy with the shed is a founder and a CTO of a semiconductor company, and uses his home lab for business.
7373737373 5 hours ago|||
Sam Zeloof also created his own transistors, then founded AtomicSemi/fab2: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IS5ycm7VfXg

inspired by Jeri Ellsworth, who also documented hers on Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5DCEA197C1C07A2D

generuso 4 hours ago|||
Sam Zeloof's new company is a serious business. He went from studying electrical engineering at CMU and doing semiconductor fabrication as a hobby, to running a well funded team to produce equipment for mini-fabs.

It is actually a great example which shows the difference between cobbling something together in a garage, to produce a one-off demonstration, and having a mini-fab which is capable of delivering the results reliably. The difference in the required effort is many orders of magnitude.

The "RAM in a shed" guy started with a Ph.D. in semiconductor technology, and was running a company before he made the improvised lab at home and started to make videos about it. He uses the lab to test some of the steps for the specialty devices which he invents.

MomsAVoxell 4 hours ago|||
Saw Jeri demo some of her early transistors, it was one of the most inspiring things seen in a hackerspace… 15 years ago now? Sheesh. Glad to see AtomicSemi/fab2 in existence, that is a relief. We simply have to get desk-side fabrication happening, faster, imho ..
illuminum 5 hours ago|||
Also seems to mostly go off of Hacker Fab (https://docs.hackerfab.org/home)
swiftcoder 7 hours ago|||
That is proper mental. And extremely cool
txrx0000 3 hours ago||
To be serious, maybe not 18 months but 2-3x that.
samayashar 4 hours ago||
I see a lot of micro-chip designs that are so cool, but they just exist as a design in some software on our computers. If this printer can allow cheap and sustainable printing of chip designs, then the hardware field could take a very interesting turn!
derac 4 hours ago|
That's so cool, I see no reason you couldn't use a uv-sensitive conductive resin. Does anyone know more about this?
le-mark 7 hours ago||
I know it is a preposterous proposition to think this thing could create a 1/1000 version of itself, hence 1/1,000,000 3d printing, but why?
kadoban 6 hours ago||
A mechanism that works at scale X doesn't necessarily work at scale Y.

Different forces and material properties are all at relatively different levels.

The one I know offhand that will mess with stuff is the square-cube law. If you double the linear dimensions of something, it's twice as big, linearly, but 4 times the surface area and 8 times as heavy. The strength of anything that depends on area (like friction) won't scale at the same rate as anything that depends on mass or volume or anything.

Not to mention I'm sure this thing can only print a few different materials. Unless those are also _all_ of the materials it's made out of, it couldn't even make itself.

wongarsu 7 hours ago|||
Calling it a RepRap, with full explanation that that means a printer that can print itself, does make it sound like it could be a goal

But even if you could get a positioning system that small, I'm pretty sure you can't scale resin printing down three orders of magnitude smaller than this printer. Maybe a tiny CNC?

Or more likely they refer to eventually printing the mems devices used in the printer

InsideOutSanta 6 hours ago||
None of the reprap 3D printers can fully make themselves. They all still need additional parts that can't be 3D-printed, like motors and controllers.
numpad0 1 hour ago|||
You can only print brackets that join frames together with help of screws, not electrical and/or mechanical components. The latter two must come from AliExpress/Amazon, and 1/1000 scaled ones that do not exist have to exist for that to work.
generuso 5 hours ago|||
The history of precision machinery is a steady ladder of using old machines to produce new more accurate components, and then new more accurate machines.

But simply making something smaller is not synonymous with it automatically becoming more accurate or capable of achieving higher resolution. If anything, very high precision machines are typically larger in size than the less accurate ones.

nkrisc 3 hours ago||
Scale matters. For example, at large scale you might be able to essentially ignore the friction between two materials, but at 1/1000 scale it might be the same order of magnitude as the forces expected during operation.

While a large piece of sheet metal might slide down a given ramp, a 1/1000 scale bit of foil of that same metal would probably just sit on that same ramp and not move.

There are lots of constants that, by definition, don't scale.

arjie 5 hours ago||
I had no idea this kind of precision was possible with parts that are not particularly advanced. Most of my modeling and 3d printing is entirely AI driven these days. With this stuff, I could make even miniature parts and screws and so on. I’m a late adopter, so I’ll have to wait the 10 years or so before it reaches current Prusa/Bambu performance but it’s exciting nonetheless.
DannyBee 5 hours ago|
It's because it's only 8mm cubic volume.

But you can get etched glass scale encoders that will give you 1um accuracy for basically nothing these days (IE <50 bucks).

You'd still be better off just using cheap linear motors with encoders built into the rail though.

tliltocatl 1 hour ago||
Encoders are cheap, even interferometric setup is possible to do at perhaps <$300 if you happen to live near the NeHe rust belt. Actuator backlash and stiction will still be a problem. Good actuators are expensive. Solving backlash is what is nice about this setup.
DannyBee 1 hour ago||
Sure. For positioning a microscope point to point the backlash wouldn't matter. For an extrusion head it kind of matters. Still not as much as it would with a cutting head, but it is nice to solve it
swiftcoder 7 hours ago||
I did not expect this would be achievable to such tight tolerances - this is very impressive. Excited to see a new wave of micro-manufacturing in our future
imnotr0b0t 1 hour ago||
Wow that sound promising. I wonder if such devices might, in the future, simplify the process of creating electronic components.
jlawrence6809 7 hours ago||
Okay my tinker-lust has been aroused! Can someone tell me what I can make with this thing so I have an excuse to build it?
wongarsu 6 hours ago||
If you get this to print conductive resins you could probably build a number of mems devices. Accelerometers, gyroscopes, tiny speakers

Being able to make structures this small could maybe make DIY inkjet printers viable, if you can simplify them enough?

The most exciting are the applications nobody has thought of yet

MomsAVoxell 4 hours ago|||
Core memory.
varispeed 5 hours ago||
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post-it 6 hours ago|
Does this mean we can print vinyl records?
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