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Posted by hakonjdjohnsen 1 day ago

I built a drone with only one motor [video](www.youtube.com)
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wiradikusuma 18 hours ago|
Any recommended "drone for dummies" for programmers to fly their first drone?
jacquesm 13 hours ago|
Sure, get a 'tinywhoop' and learn to fly by hand. They're cheap, can be flown indoors and won't do damage so you can practice to your heart's content. The batteries don't last long, you'll get a minute, maybe two if you're lucky out of a single charge.

Even cheaper:lift-off on Steam. It's a simulator, you can then just get a controller (I'd recommend a TX10 to start with, a TX16 if you think you're going to be serious about this stuff) and hook it up to the computer.

Good luck & have fun!

mogili 1 day ago||
It's a pretty cool concept, however, fails to mention coaxial rotor design that has a single motor and has much simpler control systems. I am also curious on how this affects frame vibration.

This is a newer trend in mechanical design that leverages more complex control software to overcome mechanical issues. A good example is https://turntide.com/

stbtrax 1 day ago||
It’s an entertainmening YouTube video not a phd thesis. Bizzare standard to hold him to
dcrazy 1 day ago||
He leads the video with claims of being the first, and it’s reasonable to expect him to have done sufficient research on that claim. It’s a different claim than what GP thought.
nomel 1 day ago||
If I understand correctly, those are single rotor but NOT single motor. This is a single motor design, which is why it's neat. There are no additional control servos/motors.
mogili 1 day ago||
It can be single motor too.
nomel 19 hours ago||
Can you expand on this? How? Any examples?
WalterBright 18 hours ago||
I am humbled. Wow!
tintor 1 day ago||
How will this new tech affect the current drone war between Russia and Ukraine?

Smaller, cheaper, more numerous offensive drones?

nhma 1 day ago||
This tech is more than a decade old, originally from UPenn AFAIK[0].

[0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=aEPf0QHVuMM

gpm 1 day ago|||
I strongly doubt adding a ton of extra weight in aerodynamic surfaces, and drag, and complex mechanical parts, to avoid a few motors/servos is worth it in that context.
solyin 1 day ago||
Every gram of weight you remove is another gram of explosive you can add. Also consider the difference in supply lines for aerodynamic surfaces and mechanic parts and motors and servos. If you have four hundred servos, you can make one hundred quadcopters, or four hundred of these things. If you only have one hundred control boards powerful enough to control the single motor design though, you can still only make one hundred. (Tho the quadcopter can lift 4x the weight)

What's interesting is that the Ukrainians are building drones near their front lines because if they build them too far away and ship them in, the game has evolved and those drones are already yesterday's news.

coderenegade 1 day ago|||
A fixed wing drone only needs one motor, the control is easier, and the physics are more favorable for carrying high ordnance. I'm skeptical that this is going to change much.

It's cool in that it can hover and do quadcopter type flight with only a single motor, and it's that second part that is interesting, because a fixed wing can also do a prop hang, but it can't do quadrotor-like flight from there.

It's usefulness is likely to be in other areas -- mainly applications where that flight mode is important.

tintor 1 day ago|||
Larger fixed wing drone could deliver many smaller quadcopters that don't have the long range.
modeless 1 day ago|||
A fixed wing drone needs at least one extra motor for the control surfaces. More likely two or three.
coderenegade 23 hours ago||
This design still requires an additional servo for rotor actuation, so the minimum number of actuators is the same as for a fixed wing (roll and yaw are coupled, so the bare minimum is a single rudder servo).
gpm 22 hours ago||
No, the rotors are tilted by timing the acceleration from the single motor - there's no servo in the design in the video.
coderenegade 14 hours ago||
My bad. I skimmed the early part of the video with the sound down on the train this morning and thought I saw a servo in there. That's clever, but it doesn't really change much. There's not really any advantage in terms of payload or performance over existing designs.
konart 13 hours ago|||
> the Ukrainians are building drones near their front lines

Both sides 3d print parts near front lines. Just to be clear.

Especially when it comes to drops.

jacquesm 13 hours ago|||
It won't. This is not going to work with a payload and the degree of control is too low. It's a very cool POC though.
numpad0 9 hours ago|||
This type of rotors are not highly resistant to winds. That's why drones don't look like this already.
eimrine 1 day ago||
maybe new breakthroughs for the darpa project. kamikazes drones do not need so advanced prop tbh it is against the idea of being cheap.
johnnyApplePRNG 1 day ago||
I am torn about drone tech now.

I used to be super stoked about it.

But watching drones kill civilians kind of ruined it. [0]

Then again ... they do put a dent in superpowers powers apparently so ... like I said ... I am torn.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/czdmrm6y7r0o

jacquesm 13 hours ago||
Drone tech is dual use, as is most other tech. It's hard to have the one without the other. And yes, drones killing civilians is very demented, such war crimes (because that is what they are) should not go unpunished.
mikeyouse 1 day ago|||
Likewise. Even companies like Saildrone where ~100% of the marketing before 2025 was about mapping the oceans and autonomous storm monitoring with their bright orange craft are now releasing videos with missile launching pods attached to navy gray versions: https://www.saildrone.com/news/us-navy-rimpac-lockheed-marti...
hyperhopper 1 day ago|||
Do you want superpowers to be able to wage wars, foreign or domestically, with hordes of non-human combatants that can't refuse orders or defect on moral grounds?
aeternum 1 day ago|||
To be fair, a lot of it is moving to drones killing drones.

My prediction is that future wars will actually involve increasingly fewer humans and will be more about tech+manufacturing vs. tech+manufacturing. And of course insurgents + lowcost tech vs. increasingly nonlethal hightech.

This would allow wars to continue without as much of the growing political backlash.

_joel 1 day ago|||
The next iteration is the drones removing those pesky humans from the command chain too :/
IAmBroom 11 hours ago|||
You are overly hopeful, I suspect.

A significant portion of Russia's attacks are purely on civilians. Even Ukraine's attacks on RU targets have civilian side casualties.

Terrorism will probably always be a thing.

bethekidyouwant 1 day ago|||
You could say the same about smelting iron. Now we can wage war without tin.
johnnyApplePRNG 11 hours ago||
No arguments here.

I guess the most important thing is to spread the tech then... make it fair at least? (Like this guy is doing)

walrus01 1 day ago||
There's also been a few people building monocopters with a fixed, non tilting motor and prop, and four servo motor actuated fins at the bottom that can be used for thrust vectoring and to counter rotational forces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2cETOyuJ20

jacquesm 21 hours ago||
That's pretty close to what I built only I'm using a far more efficient motor/prop setup so much longer flying times as well as the option to transition to level flight.
razster 1 day ago|||
Neat. I wonder if you could use the air it generates by having directional ports louvers that open and allow the air to flow for more control. Would need 2 more servo, left/right port louvers.
gspr 1 day ago||
I love this angle so much! Do you know if there's been more detailed analysis of performance?
jacquesm 21 hours ago||
Very good control, low flying time (those ducted fans use an insane amount of energy like this).
walrus01 21 hours ago||
Generally those small diameter motor/prop combinations aren't very efficient, in grams/watt of thrust. They look really bad if you compare them to like a 15" size carbon fiber prop from t-motor and one of the tmotor "antigravity" series motors on a thrust stand.

Quadcopters that are designed for 45 min to 1 hr loiter time carrying a useful payload, while not being too big for a person to move around seem to be converting on 15 to 18 inch size prop and motor and esc combinations carefully chosen for optimal grams/watt thrust.

jacquesm 21 hours ago||
Yes, that's in line with everything I've seen.

I've built a whole slew of drones over the last couple of years, quadcopters are hard to beat on many axis. But I have some proof that it may be possible to do substantially better with a monocopter in terms of efficiency. The hard problems you will then have to solve are payload attachment because unbalance is very tricky to deal with (whereas that is trivial in a quadcopter) as well as transitioning to level flight so that you can make good forward speed.

walrus01 17 hours ago|||
I think the recent winner of the DARPA life challenge was a 'traditional' single rotor helicopter with tailrotor. The very large disc area of the traditional heli design made it more efficient than quad/hex/octo designs.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=darpa+lif...

jacquesm 14 hours ago||
Yes, but their forward speed is limited because they can't translate into level flight and that also means the range is limited. I was trying to get the best of both worlds (but that's a hard problem to solve).
gspr 18 hours ago|||
I know very little of the field, but aren't there applications where the ability to carry ad hoc payloads doesn't matter? Integrating a fixed sensor suite into the ring and balancing it ahead of time is possible then, right?

And what can be learned from full-scale classical helicopters that frequently carry underhanging payloads?

(I don't at all wanna be the typical HN person who thinks their questions about a field they know nothing about are in any way insightful. I'm just trying to learn.)

jacquesm 14 hours ago||
That's all true. But (1) that's not the application that I have in mind and (2) forward speed of helicopters is not fantastic (3) neither is their fuel efficiency.

For a fixed payload it is indeed possible to set up the balance beforehand, even then you will probably end up with a drone that will translate slower or faster depending on the inbalance instead of hovering in place.

russellbeattie 1 day ago||
It's incredible that changes in velocity still work to adjust the angle of the blades even at the insane speeds they're moving at. I would never have thought that was possible.

I have to wonder why this guy didn't give his drone a leash while testing so it couldn't go flying off. It's the first thing that popped into my head, so I'm sure it's something he thought of as well and didn't use for a good reason. Maybe a string would get caught in the blades?

jacquesm 20 hours ago||
This one is very impressive too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0POjjIC5xs

It does use a bunch of external sensors but the control is all with just the prop and rapid speed changes, they don't even use a variable pitch prop.

omoikane 1 day ago|||
Maybe the pull from a string/leash would affect how the thing flies, kind of like kites.

I like how he built a test stand near 7:22, which solves the motor flying off problem and is probably easier to iterate on. It reminds me of how rockets are tested.

z3ugma 1 day ago||
Possibly the fact that the TPU fin body doesn't stop all counterrotation so the leash would get twisted into a cord and interfere with flight?
maximilianthe1 1 day ago||
print a slipring
MiroslavPokorny 20 hours ago||
Open source ?
tyrabound 1 day ago||
I’m sure glad we are making immense progress towards the dystopian hell where massive swarms of mini drones are hunting down obsolete and marked for termination flesh bots, aka humans.
reactor3dxyz 22 hours ago|
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