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Posted by groar 12 hours ago

Timestral: Mistral's time-series foundation models(mistral.ai)
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alex7o 6 hours ago|
https://www.nixtla.io/docs/introduction/introduction I remember using that and was quite good so happy that there is more open competition now in the space
davedx 6 hours ago||
Head of Macro here -- this is a great time series forecasting model, we are migrating to this in our pod!
dingaling911 6 hours ago||
What is macro
swalsh 6 hours ago||
Macrodata Refinery is mysterious but important work
LelouBil 4 hours ago||
What IRL company is the closest to lumon right now ?
browningstreet 4 hours ago|||
FWIW you have urls in your profile but nothing about whatever Macro is
dominotw 6 hours ago||
> Head of Macro here

lol. so what?

amai 9 hours ago||
How does it compare to nixtla TimeGPT?

https://github.com/Nixtla/nixtla

colesantiago 8 hours ago|
Timestral is free and open weights.

No need to pay for proprietary TimeGPT.

pquerna 8 hours ago||
Timestral is not free - it has a "Modified" MIT, which requires you to buy from Mistral if your global business makes more than $20m a month.

Calling it "Modified" MIT is just misleading.

kooi 1 hour ago||
Gotta pay if i make more than 20 mil a month?

Sounds like a great problem to have.

whatever1 6 hours ago||
I dont know how one can objectively evaluate forecasting. We observe just one universe. We overfit our models to this one observation we have.

Which is why at the end of the day why nobody trusts or blames the forecasting models, specially in all or nothing types of decisions.

sh34r 5 hours ago|
This is the pseudo-intellectual version of your boomer relative ranting about the weatherman on TV, “how does this guy still have a job when he’s always wrong!”

Or the poll-bashing that happened after the 2016 election when an outcome with a 29% chance per one model was observed.

Any interesting forecasting problem is underconstrained. Monte Carlo methods are the classic way to mitigate that one-universe problem.

Nobody can predict the future with certainty. All models are wrong, but some are useful.

whatever1 5 hours ago||
How does Monte Carlo help mitigation?

I fully agree that all models are wrong.

Their main usage is just replaying the past or encoding the modelers assumptions for the future.

But there is no way to know if a model is good or bad.

There would be if we had infinite universes.

tom_mc 3 hours ago||
Monte Carlo methods are used to estimate the risk associated with a prediction (and presumably an action taken against that prediction). Does that answer your question? I can elaborate if you like.
whatever1 2 hours ago||
It estimates risk based on your current understanding of the universe.

1. No guarantee that the universe tomorrow will behave as the distributions you used in your Monte Carlo today.

2. If the universe stats serving you 10 unlikely events in a row, is your model model wrong, or just 10 unlucky draws? If your model was correct and you start "correcting it" based on these 10 draws, you now made it wrong.

tom_mc 27 minutes ago||
Like the other person said, all models are wrong but some are useful (a quote they did not make up btw). It sounds like you understand how MC works. Do you feel like you've answered your own question regarding how MC helps? I'm trying to be helpful since you asked above.
beernet 10 hours ago||
Meh....time series data is fundamentally different from textual data. I see why a time series "foundation model" seems appealing, especially to the marketing folks at Mistral. Real-world usability is very limited, which is probably the reason why the blog post features an imaginary customer rather than an actual reference.
AtHeartEngineer 10 hours ago||
Time based data is extremely important, and there are tons of techniques out there to train super fast super small models, but they are a pain in the ass to tune. I could see a foundation model that is kind of good at a lot of things, that could be fine tuned or used when you want something more straight forward to use to analyze a bunch of data.

Honestly this might be very good for feature selection to refine a much more specialized model.

saithound 10 hours ago|||
Agered. These are essentially numerology models.
GeoffNN 10 hours ago||
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beernet 10 hours ago|||
You are telling me quant funds prefer a heavy-weight and slow ANN to a fast, specialized model? Maybe in totally non-critical environments, otherwise it's simply too slow, regardless of performance.
GeoffNN 9 hours ago||
Not all of their trading is high freq
mstkllah 10 hours ago|||
Do those places also include companies focused on private markets?
GeoffNN 9 hours ago||
Not that I know of!
AndrewKemendo 6 hours ago||
I’ve been bullish on time series forecasting since 2006 and always thought transformers were perfectly designed to implement this

Spacetimeformer was imo a huge leap forward that got overshadowed by all the language model progress

Excited to see more effort put into time series forecasting

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