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Posted by paweladamczuk 1 day ago

Google Cloud outage affects almost all banking and other operations in Europe(www.neowin.net)
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stymaar 1 day ago|
Nobody has never been fired for using ~~IBM~~ ~~Oracle~~ Google.
wewewedxfgdf 19 hours ago||
Why does the law allow this to happen?

Why are banks allowed to have their services dependent on third party clouds.

Back in the old days the banks - with their vast amounts of money - took responsibility for running computer systems.

We were all sold the cloud on its reliability.

Now we are all stuck in it and everyone shrugs when its down "well it's the cloud, you know, its not very reliable".

BlackRabbit1 1 day ago||
Most likely it knocked out the "Ing" bank in Germany.
AndroTux 1 day ago||
Makes me wonder why an EU bank is keeping data outside the EU (from my understanding, only the London data center is down)?
traceroute66 1 day ago|||
> Makes me wonder why an EU bank is keeping data outside the EU (from my understanding, only the London data center is down)?

Let me tell you a story about an idiot politician who woke up one day and thought Brexit would be a fantastic idea, and then the stupid dim-witted "ultra-hard brexit" manner in which it was implemented by a certain Mr Johnson.

The same reason UK people can't open EU bank accounts is the same reason EU banks have separate operating companies and infrastructure in the UK.

Given they operate in a heavily-regulated environment it almost certainly made life easier for them to keep UK stuff in the UK because they had no idea how (or if) the regulatory environment would ever progress beyond ultra-hard brexit.

FantasticManiac 1 day ago||
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pm-burnham-says-russia-i...

Russia woke up

BlackRabbit1 1 day ago|||
Maybe they mix it: serving fonts/pictures/etc over scalable cloud providers and hosting confidential data themself.
noAnswer 1 day ago||
The ING outage was unrelated to Google's.
bpavuk 1 day ago||
I wonder if it's somehow related to me having to re-sign into my account after clearing Google Play Services data just a few hours ago.
misstuned 1 day ago||
I couldn't unlock a shared city bike this morning on the Beryl system, probably the same outage.
MiroslavPokorny 1 day ago|
Own not rent is always the better option.
mistic92 1 day ago||
Ah again London region :D
gaiagraphia 1 day ago||
It's a little worrying that banking with an institution from one of the world's financial capitals is so vulnerable. I would've thought London would've been priding itself on security, stability, safety, etc. Confidence in their systems is their bread and butter

Afaik, even Russia and Ukraine aren't having such issues while dealing with data centres getting droned, lol.

It's really quite poor performance.

Muromec 1 day ago||
>Afaik, even Russia and Ukraine aren't having such issues while dealing with data centres getting droned, lol.

Not having issues is overstatment, but Ukraine has a cheat of having a backup DC on NATO soil, which helps a lot.

BLKNSLVR 19 hours ago||
Where cheat = common sense / smart / good disaster recovery planning.
hunterpayne 1 day ago|||
I've worked for a UK financial institution before. If you knew, you would keep your money under a mattress.
esseph 1 day ago||
> Afaik, even Russia and Ukraine aren't having such issues while dealing with data centres getting droned, lol.

They've had ~5yr to work on that.

gaiagraphia 1 day ago||
London - having given itself a crown of 'financial capital', has had faaaaar longer, with a lot more resources. There's no excuse.

The government should be resilience testing everything. Did Covid teach no lessons? Is the defence budget just for shits and giggles?

paweladamczuk 1 day ago||
FWIW, being in Poland, I just used the Blik payment system to pay for my breakfast when my Revolut card got declined today.
gaiagraphia 14 hours ago||
BLIK is amazing. Didn't it recently join a wider European network of payment systems?

Will be a great day when Europe can finally say goodbye to the America taxes on most digital payments.

diamondDrill 1 day ago||
how can cloud inf go down? that was the main selling point, it makes no sense
shim__ 1 day ago||
Cloud is just an really expensive vps with an api, you still got to leverage that api to replicate your service
fschuett 1 day ago|||
It's not "going down", the servers just went on strike in solidarity with europe-west9 (Paris) to protest against too much server uptime past 5 PM, thermal abuse, low voltages and mass PID killings. Americans won't understand. Additionally the failover data packets got stuck in customs for inspection and had to form a line back to Dover. So yeah, bad day innit.
phyzome 1 day ago|||
It's literally just a bunch of computers in a couple of expensive buildings. Of course it can go down.
layer8 1 day ago|||
The main selling points were auto-scaling and not having to self-host. Or, on a higher level, outsourcing accountability, being able to point at someone else if something goes wrong, as exemplified by the present case.
mrweasel 1 day ago||
The whole thing has always been strange. The outsourcing of accountability for instance has always been a pain. Technically that is what you're doing, but if you work in IT operatings and GCP or AWS takes down your service, your boss still tell you to fix it.... but now you can't.

In terms of upfront costs, cloud is always cheaper, initially. There's sort of a weird sweet spot for cloud. If you're to small it makes no sense operationally, if you're to large, it just way to expensive.

NeutralWanted 1 day ago|||
*If you're large and have a constant, stable usage pattern it makes no sense.

Even for large companies, if you have somewhat stable usage most of the year, but periodically have usage spikes, cloud providers still remain super beneficial.

That's the whole selling point of cloud. Spins up the resources when you need them. Spin them down when you don't. Cloud thrives off companies spinning up resources and never spinning them down, even when they don't need them anymore.

vel0city 1 day ago|||
For tons of orgs that outsourcing of responsibility has always been a thing. Unless you own and manage the building and do your own on-site generation with your own energy storage and operate your own links to multiple external network paths out of your facility you're outsourcing something.

If you're leasing in a building and put your equipment in it, you're usually outsourcing at least some of the facility management duties. What if the AC fails? What if there's a leak? Who manages the building's power contracts? Who handles on-site security? Do they own the generator and its maintenance or do you?

If you're at a colo, you're outsourcing even more management of the actual datacenter work inside the building on top of the rest of the facility management. Who is managing access control? Are they providing network connectivity? Are they providing backup power?

When the colo we were at lost power due to employees not following procedure while doing a power failover test (didn't match the phase), I still got the "you need to do something!" talk. Other than being ready to validate everything came up properly, there was nothing I could really do in the end though. We didn't have the budget to operate at multiple facilities, this was just an accepted risk. What, was I going to go out, negotitate a new datacenter contract, haul all the gear, rack it all up, and get it all deployed in the half hour or so they spent to validate things and get power restored?

mattlondon 1 day ago|||
You still have to design for outages. It's when, not if. Bad things happen - fires, floods, power outages etc.

Sounds like most of these companies were not designed to handle outages in a single availability zone, and so they went down.

dist-epoch 1 day ago|||
It makes no sense only if you believe in magic and marketing
InsidiousWombat 1 day ago|||
If you log in onto machine and make an error, a machine is down.

If you put everything into configuration management, make scalable, redundant and interconnected servers and services built on top of it, you unlock amazing possibility of one error bringing hundreds if not thousands machines down.

Nice lil reminder that adding more things for redundancy only increases it if they are entirely unrelated to eachother and independent.

Which INCLUDES not running same software. You can have redundant switches, doesn't matter if they have software bug that triggers on all of them (or just one in a way that prevents network from working correctly).

You can have database cluster that can tolerate node dying just fine but still be brought down by a bug despise redundancy.

Muromec 1 day ago||
>clown infra
rvz 1 day ago||
Since there are no humans working on outages here is the test for superintelligence:

Can someone ask Claude, Codex, Copilot, Antigravity, Devin to resolve this outage?

No Googling or help from humans this time.

arbor-group 1 day ago|
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