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Posted by xnx 3 days ago

The Real Kevin Bacon(pudding.cool)
295 points | 77 comments
MattCruikshank 14 hours ago|
Sure, but what's the Basis Set movie? If you only had one actor in a movie, and you wanted to have the most connectedness in it, you'd choose Sam Jackson right now. (The one from Pulp Fiction, not the one from Ted.)

But what if you could have TWO actors in a movie? Would Sam Jackson (again, the one from Jurassic Park, not the lawyer) still be one of them? Or is it possible that in aggregate, there are two actors who would achieve a better connectedness than Sam Jackson (the one from The Long Kiss Goodnight, not the one who was in Veronica Mars) plus one of those actors?

What if you could have THREE actors in a movie?

Or what about, who is the perfect sidekick for Sam Jackson (stop asking, yes, of course I mean the one with the purple lightsaber, not the one from In Time)? Who, if you add them to a Sam Jackson (the director of S.H.I.E.L.D., not the Mean Girl) movie, gives them the most aggregate connectedness?

Enquiring minds want to know!

Also, who's the Kevin Bacon of Bollywood?

dofm 10 hours ago||
Margin Call is a pretty good candidate, considering how tight its cast is.

Edit: come to think of it, if you want a big cast of the most highly-connected actors, you'd probably pick Cradle Will Rock from back in 1999.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_Will_Rock

A ridiculously great film you should see, about everything that matters, all in one modestly history-distorting bonkers movie, with some songs and some cracking dialogue:

  Marc: I am faithful to the ideals of the party.
  Orson Welles: I am faithful to the party of ideas.
  John Houseman: You are faithful to the idea of a party.
  
  John Houseman: As the producer, I can fire anybody I want, and I am fucking fired!
underlipton 7 hours ago||
I'm putting my money on either Scott Pilgrim or The Big Short.
MattCruikshank 4 hours ago||
If you count the random cut-ins, maybe.

I feel like A Few Good Men would do really well.

bhickey 14 hours ago|||
> Also, who's the Kevin Bacon of Bollywood?

Almost certainly Shah Rukh Khan.

bagacrap 7 hours ago|||
The thing about Kevin Bacon is he's b list yet still highly connected.

Shah Ruh Khan is more like George Clooney or something.

cwnyth 4 hours ago||
Kevin Bacon is objectively an A-list actor.
MattCruikshank 13 hours ago||||
It was probably Amitabh Bachchan at one point, right?
dofm 10 hours ago|||
I would say that the logical drop-in replacement is Aamir Khan.
leoc 5 hours ago|||
I seem to recall that Mystic River was ridiculously highly connected in the Oracle of Bacon database at about the time that that film came out in 2003.
reticulates 5 hours ago||
Chloë Grace Moretz was huge as a child star but she is basically retired now, the likelihood that she continues to appear in any major movies is very slim. Her career's early start was beneficial to this ranking but is not representative. The likelihood that she ever overtakes Samuel L Jackson is... nothing, nada, because Samuel L Jackson is more active than her.
ameliaquining 13 hours ago||
Prior art here is the much older Oracle of Bacon project (which I'm hoping the author didn't know about). It uses the full IMDb data set (not just the top 10,000 films) and gets different results, with Eric Roberts in first place and Samuel L. Jackson in fifth: https://oracleofbacon.org/center_list.php
iainmerrick 10 hours ago||
I'm sure I saw a version of this that had Rod Steiger at #1, via a very long career as a mostly supporting actor.

It looks like it's very sensitive to the choice of dataset, so I guess there's no one "correct" answer.

Both this new one and the Oracle of Bacon seem a little suspiciously weighted towards living actors, which makes me think their data is skewed towards modern movies. But Hollywood has been around for a long time, so if there were a correct answer I would have thought it would be likely to be somebody very old or dead.

ameliaquining 9 hours ago|||
I don't think that's a problem with the Oracle of Bacon data; I think there actually are more newer movies than older ones, because Hollywood has figured out ways to ramp up its production over time.
bagacrap 7 hours ago|||
I don't think the site mentions it, but it seems to stop counting actors after they retire. There's no way anyone is within 4 movies of every single actor in history.
susiecambria 9 hours ago||
RIP Tom Skerritt, #589
card_zero 15 hours ago||
Somehow it's a fun fact that you can reach any other actor in four moves, but a much less fun fact that you can probably-reach any other actor in 2.6 moves. "Connectedness", huh. Though it was interesting to see that Frank Welker used to be in fourth place. Never heard of him. Or I've only heard of him, he's a voice actor. He does cartoon animals, often without lines, lots of miaowing.
yakk0 13 hours ago||
He's done so much more than that. While he is likely many animals you've heard, he's also Megatron and Soundwave from Transformers, Fred and Scooby-Doo, Apu from Aladdin (ok, this is another animal, but he got significant screentime), and Ralph the guard in Animaniacs.
MollyRealized 13 hours ago|||
He's Megatron, amount others.
fellowniusmonk 14 hours ago||
Yeah, I think an argument can be made that frank welkers presence at the top indicates voice acting should be treated as an optional variant.
dec0dedab0de 14 hours ago||
I hope Kevin bacon takes this as a personal attack and manages to get small roles in every upcoming film that has actors he hasn’t worked with yet.
gbil 14 hours ago||
John Candy #2 in 1993! Makes his loss hit hard even after all these years.
ideasphere 11 hours ago||
This is great but surely the point of choosing Kevin Bacon in the first place was because he is surprisingly well-connected. If someone said ‘6 degrees of Samuel L Jackson’ most of us would not be surprised at how well-connected he is.
quuxplusone 11 hours ago||
The point of choosing Kevin Bacon in the first place was that "Kevin Bacon" sounds roughly like "separation," so the reference works. AFAIK there was no additional criterion.
ideasphere 11 hours ago||
I had never actually realised that until now! Thank you
BugsJustFindMe 13 hours ago||
> "The conventional wisdom is that Kevin Bacon is the all-encompassing center of Hollywood..."

Well, yes, but his name also rhymes with "separation", and that's kind of important.

blltprfmnk 11 hours ago|
Not quite sure why you are getting downvotes since it’s clearly a play on six degrees of separation and the rhyming substitution at least plays some part in why people have continued to discuss it.

I’ve seen other analyses going back at least a couple decades showing Kevin Bacon was not the center of Hollywood, although none as thorough as this.

firecall 1 hour ago||
Maybe I missed it, but the introduction doesn't explain the point that "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" is just a play on "Six Degrees of Separation".
ryandrake 2 hours ago|
Side note: I feel old. As soon as it started mentioning the set of younger actors, I didn't recognize a single name. I feel like I'm watching new-ish movies, I just don't know who the actors are and it seems like they're all kind of interchangeable "undifferentiated young good looking people".
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