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Posted by aliasxneo 1 hour ago

Deepfake of Washington County, Oregon, Candidate Goes Viral Nationwide(www.oregonjournalismproject.org)
22 points | 27 comments
rideontime 12 minutes ago|
OJP has published a retraction. https://www.oregonjournalismproject.org/editors-note-october...
Sabinus 45 seconds ago||
>A Fai campaign supporter then provided a different video of the event to OJP that showed the flag right side up.

It would be interesting to know where the "corrected" deepfake originated.

gruez 2 minutes ago||
In that case, lmao at all the people who were downvoted to grey (or rather, the people who downvoted them into grey), despite being in the right.
DFHippie 35 minutes ago||
I don't understand why the people manipulated with lies aren't offended at the liars. They are primed to believe the lies, but aren't they mad that someone sought to manipulate them?

This keeps happening because it works. But why does it work? Why isn't there blowback?

peder 9 minutes ago||
Are you going to update your comment now that a retraction was issued? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50173029
happytoexplain 19 minutes ago|||
It's embarrassing. Instead, they tell themselves, "well, it could have just as easily been real."

This has always been the case.

However, the more interesting thing going on is that we have never had to reckon with this problem anywhere near as much as we do now, since the barrier to creating fakes has been reduced from "skilled software user" to "all five billion humans who can write".

gruez 18 minutes ago|||
The ironic part is that the veracity of the debunking is being questioned, so depending on how this turns out, this could either be referring to "haha dumb right wingers falling for AI generated meme" or "haha dumb left wingers falling for AI generated debunking". Truly a rorschach test of a comment.

edit: the story was retracted so the "people manipulated with lies" are the people who believed oregon journalism project?

UltraSane 8 minutes ago|||
I feel the same way. Anyone who lies to you is fundamentally insulting you.
dabinat 25 minutes ago|||
Because they want it to be true.
jplusequalt 27 minutes ago||
Truth isn't important anymore.
rideontime 30 minutes ago||
As much as I hate to have to defend Jack Posobiec (aka EndWokeness), saving the "real" screenshot from this article and uploading it to OpenAI's verification tool[0] indicates that it, in fact, was AI-generated. I welcome any correction on this.

[0] https://openai.com/research/verify/

e: Okay, now I feel stupid for even bothering to do that. Look below her name and you'll see the leftovers of the old flag.

edit 2: Retracted. https://www.oregonjournalismproject.org/editors-note-october...

gruez 21 minutes ago||
Even more damning seems to be the video of the event and cached images from google, which does not have an openai watermark (yes, verified myself).

https://x.com/kgallella/status/2112332869461045733

https://x.com/Honest_Bender/status/2112301833708519659

Of course it doesn't conclusively prove that the flag was definitely right side up, but you'd really have to bend over backwards to explain why Oregon Journalism Project's "debunking" is watermarked but the counter-debunkings aren't.

peder 16 minutes ago|||
lol I didn't see that at all, wow they soooo poorly photoshopped this and then had their all friends in the media like Axios push their lies
ofjcihen 28 minutes ago|||
Unless I’m missing something all of the pictures in the article and on X that it links to return as being AI generated?
rideontime 24 minutes ago||
There's only two images in the article, the "real" (fake) image (which appears twice), and the screenshot of the tweet; the latter returns "No OpenAI signals detected" for me, unlike the other.
ofjcihen 22 minutes ago||
I’m including all of the images linked in both.

And now that you’ve said that I’ve retried the same image 5 times and gotten AI 3 times and Not AI twice.

Something tells me that tools is about as reliable as Pangram.

rideontime 17 minutes ago||
Then just try looking in the bottom left corner of the "real" image to see the leftovers of the upside-down flag. The SynthID watermark isn't even necessary here to spot the obviousness of the fake.
aaron695 12 minutes ago||
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peder 43 minutes ago|
This story is fake; the flag was in fact upside down: https://x.com/alx/status/2112383598934573506

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://lookaside.fbsbx...

cortesoft 37 minutes ago|
And you trust this source because?
peder 30 minutes ago|||
It's from their own Facebook page, it's the Google Image Search results from their own page.
ofjcihen 29 minutes ago||
“Before they deleted them” aka no way to check if this is BS.
peder 26 minutes ago|||
Nonsense, the google image search result clearly still has the linkage established. There's nothing fake about it.
peder 26 minutes ago|||
And why wouldn't you question why they deleted the original lol
ofjcihen 23 minutes ago||
That’s not the question. The question is “were they even there” before the “screenshot”.

As an example, I can screenshot your comment and have AI edit it to have you say “I really enjoy misleading people on the internet for money”, post it, and then say “I took this screenshot before they deleted it.”

rideontime 22 minutes ago|||
Please just look at the bottom left corner of the "real" image.
peder 13 minutes ago|||
You don't understand: https://x.com/alx/status/2112585386929397799

But also just look at the bottom-left of the image as is mentioned elsewhere in this comment thread: they didn't even bother to photoshop the entire image in their "debunk".

gruez 36 minutes ago|||
As opposed to trusting "Oregon Journalism Project"?