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Posted by aaronbrethorst 6 hours ago

EA is shutting down BioWare(www.theverge.com)
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AmazingEveryDay 5 hours ago|
The EA I remember was Racing Destruction Set, Pinball Construction Set, great stuff, lots of freeform playtime. Did they continue releasing that kind of stuff? Yeah I haven't kept up.
Mr_Eri_Atlov 5 hours ago||
Knights of the Old Republic will forever be one of my favorite games

RIP to an amazing creative group

nozzlegear 5 hours ago||
I know it's not Bioware, but Kreia from Kotor 2 is still one of my favorite characters from any video game franchise. I wish I could experience those games for the first time again, but as an adult.
Henchman21 4 hours ago||
You may enjoy Kreia's Conundrums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nziFrCt5o2w&list=PLujAdpHxJg...
make3 5 hours ago|||
maybe obvious, but Baldur's Gate 3 is really that level (or better) of a game (recommendation)
serf 5 hours ago|||
game to game, sure. story to story, I disagree.

kotor was one of the first interactive media franchises to showcase that era in the Star Wars universe, and it was an era that's radically different than anything in the movies.

bg3 is a typical DnD setting + sex + lovecraftian elements and flayers sitting in for beholders to spice it up; and they were only there because during dev-time lovecraft was a huge gaming trend.

don't get me wrong; I love both of them, but the BG3 story was the one that ended up feeling like -- for me -- something that would have been a modpack for Neverwinter Nights.

shoobiedoo 4 hours ago|||
Likewise. The bg3 story felt like a very long, strung out and milked dry "you have sickness x, go the hospital and figure out a treatment" level of depth
panzagl 5 hours ago|||
> they were only there because during dev-time lovecraft was a huge gaming trend.

I guess you have the edition of Deities and Demigods where they were cut...

ninininino 5 hours ago||||
In some ways yes, in some ways no.

To me at least, somehow KOTOR and KOTOR 2 made me care more about the characters and story than BG3.

BG3 has better systems and combat and gear and such, but for many the worldbuilding, story, quests and such of KOTOR have yet to be beaten. Bastia Shan, Carth Onasi, Visas Marr, HK47.

The story of Revan and its twists.

Perhaps its just nostalgia and many KOTOR fans having been at an earlier age when they played those Bioware games compared to DOS 2 and BG3 though. Maybe people who were teenagers playing Larian games feel as attached to the characters and story as those of us who were teens in KOTOR's heyday did.

Mr_Eri_Atlov 5 hours ago|||
Oh it definitely is, but I played KOTOR dozens of times as a kid
akimbostrawman 5 hours ago||
>RIP to an amazing creative group

i can assure you that the original amazing group has been gone for over a decade. modern bioware has only been good at dragging someone else's legacy through the mud.

milchek 3 hours ago||
I suspect the economics and 'shape' of the gaming industry to change over the next few years. Currently we're in this strange place with game dev where a large portion of software engineers (majority?) are using LLMs and AI coding tools, but for some reason the gaming industry (or at least it's customers) are vehemently anti-AI to the point studios have to put out statements about AI usage to assuage the mobs online.

This will change. The silent majority of customers will vote with their wallets once they realise they will get a) more games and b) better games - because the barrier to entry has been lowered, the timeframes, resource requirements reduced, more unique IP or novel games, etc. Yes, there will be more slop/shovelware - that's bound to happen - but we will also get vastly more great games as well if we allow the industry to embrace AI coding and generative AI for assets to assist creatives and developers.

It is sad that EA announced they are choosing not to continue development of the next ME game. I'm sure there are many fans of that franchise here, I know I sank a lot of hours into the series (and the online co-op mode from ME3).

Maybe EA sell off the IP to a studio who can lean into fully AI assisted game development. There's a chance we'll get something decent - and hey, it can't be as bad as Andromeda, right?

samcolson42 3 hours ago|
I think that the anti-AI stance from gamers online is really about art and art style, not about the code behind the game.
droptablemain 3 hours ago||
Bioware's long death began when it was acquired by EA.
ndesaulniers 6 hours ago||
Many great memories of KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect. RIP
ReptileMan 5 hours ago||
Their last really good game was Dragon Age: Origins. It is nice that they put the studio out of its misery.
walrus01 5 hours ago||
This comes not long after Sony basically killed Bungie. Destiny 2 is "done", and Marathon has an extremely low player count and is in the process of dying.
ErneX 5 hours ago|
Destiny will go on.
serf 5 hours ago||
by necessity of Marathon having turned out to be a flop.
ErneX 4 hours ago||
Yeah it did not do well, but it’s my favourite game of the year so far.
bluefirebrand 6 hours ago||
Bioware hasn't released a good game in over a decade, and Anthem was a low point for the entire game industry imo

I'm honestly surprised they lasted this long. Sad to see them go but only because they should have been way better

indy 6 hours ago||
Exactly, the Bioware that people love hasn't existed for a long time
squidmaster 5 hours ago||
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akimbostrawman 5 hours ago||
Veilguard made Anthem look competent and fun
aghuang 5 hours ago|
Always played BioWare's games including Mass Effect.

Such as shame.

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