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Posted by farrokhi 20 hours ago

Quad9 to exit France(quad9.net)
1212 points | 410 commentspage 5
egorfine 17 hours ago|
Why stopping serving french IPs though? Remove your legal presence in France, sure. But block IP ranges from reaching your servers.. just why?
johnhtodd 13 hours ago||
French law does not care if the servers are in France or anywhere else - just that the users are in France. This sounds unexpected, but that is the law. There is a treaty called the "Lugano Convention" that allows civil lawsuits to be extended across borders of the member nations in events like this - France and Switzerland (where Quad9 is based) are signatories on that convention, so effectively French law can apply in Switzerland on matters involving internet activity. It is much more nuanced than that, so forgive this short summary, but removing servers from France is not sufficient.
rpdillon 17 hours ago||
Most likely, so they have legal standing to say "We don't operate in your country or serve your citizens, your laws do not apply". Also, punishment for a stupid ruling.
egorfine 17 hours ago||
> We don't operate in your country

Yes, by leaving french jurisdiction.

> or serve your citizens

This is not necessary. At all.

aucisson_masque 12 hours ago||
> The plaintiff (Sony Music Entertainment GmbH) then used a VPN to access the blocked content from Germany in circumvention of the geoIP blocking. The court agreed with Sony in their assertions of noncompliance, and we were fined for contempt of court.

This is some fucked up level of incompetency.

That’s why Justice can be abused by whoever got the most money, if it was competent they wouldn’t waste much time on these ridiculous claims.

9cb14c1ec0 17 hours ago||
Sometimes I wonder if the days of a global internet are drawing to a close.
GuB-42 14 hours ago||
Am I the only one who find it disturbing that a privacy focused service publishes a detailed report of which institutions is accessing their service, just to make a point?

They say they don't have data about individual IP addresses, and their report is follows their privacy policy. Yes, right, but think about it as a matter of principle. Normally, a privacy focused service shouldn't collect any data, but for technical or legal reasons, sometimes, they have to. They may need to know how many queries they have and from which zones to properly dimension their infrastructure for instance, so it is normal for them to have these logs, but publishing them in a blog post just to make a point feels like they are ready to use collected data beyond their intended purpose if it serves their interests.

Legally, it is fine, and is is unlikely to hurt anyone, but on principle, that's a red flag.

johnisom2001 13 hours ago|
> Am I the only one who find it disturbing that a privacy focused service publishes a detailed report of which institutions is accessing their service

I don't find it disturbing at all, and it's perfectly in line with what you would expect a privacy focused service to do: name and shame those that are attacking privacy.

GuB-42 13 hours ago||
Look at the list, only a few of them have anything to do with this legislation.

Many of these probably against it and expect privacy, that's why they are using quad9. They are the victims here.

If they had said "this service is used by this or that proponent of the legislation", your point could stand, even though I still disagree.

Also, it is about blocking, not spying, still bad, but orthogonal to privacy.

barkut 12 hours ago||
I wonder why Anonymous seems to be like a thing of the past these days ... There's so many of these fuckers going scot free these days. If anyone know any Anonymous-style movement going after these kind of people, I'm interested to know more.
martinjc 19 hours ago||
Sony being sleazy again. You start to wonder why they pick on the wrong people.
coldfloor 18 hours ago|
What's with all the Sony comments? This has nothing to do with Sony.
agilob 15 hours ago||
>The plaintiff (Sony Music Entertainment GmbH) then used a VPN to access the blocked content from Germany in circumvention of the geoIP blocking. The court agreed with Sony in their assertions of noncompliance, and we were fined for contempt of court.

>We eventually won that case against Sony, but it took several years, six figures of cost to Quad9, and massive wasted time – all of which set us back in our ability to deliver services and is a resource debt we are still paying for today

coldfloor 10 hours ago||
Yeah, that was mentioned as an anecdote on why they believe geo-blocking wouldn't be sufficient, and it happened 5 years ago, in Germany. It's completely irrelevant and Sony has nothing to do with what's happening here. The actual post is about a current lawsuit, in France, brought by a sports-streaming service called beIN.
49369201837 17 hours ago||
Better cut all ties to that failed state as quickly as possible.
MentalM 15 hours ago|
> that failed state

Aren't literally every country doing the same?

aboardRat4 8 hours ago||
France becoming China.
bpbp-mango 13 hours ago||
the lawyers are ruining the internet
rafram 18 hours ago|
They are in a difficult position because the entire point of their DNS resolver is that it blocks malicious sites (malware, phishing, etc.). Very easy for Sony to say, why can't they add piracy to the list? They "refuse to alter or lie to you" in their DNS responses - how would a malware block be lying if those other blocks are not?
dmantis 18 hours ago|
I guess the issue is that they are ordered to block it for all users, not only those particular users who picked some particular lists.

And nobody would pick a piracy list, why'd you do it as a user.

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