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Posted by hn_acker 1 day ago

Canadians are running out of time to oppose Bill C-22(www.eff.org)
413 points | 216 commentspage 3
slopinthebag 16 hours ago|
the largest voting block in canada (seniors) aren't really capable of understanding this issue let alone prioritizing it. in fact, for liberal voters the only thing they care about is opposing and antagonizing trump, or at least the appearance of doing so. keeping housing unaffordable is a distant second priority.

so bills like this will continue to go through since the liberals have a majority and the PMs popularity counterintuitively goes up as things go from bad to worse. im finding it hard to have any motivation to oppose this bill since resistance seems to be futile.

the dark liberal decade gets longer and darker in canada.

aceofspades19 8 hours ago||
> in fact, for liberal voters the only thing they care about is opposing and antagonizing trump, or at least the appearance of doing so. keeping housing unaffordable is a distant second priority.

This is a conservative talking point. I'm a liberal voter, and I know lots of people who voted for the liberal party. None of them want to oppose and antagonize Trump for just for the sake of it. Most Canadians and liberal voters just want Trump to follow his own agreement in regards to trade, to stop with the 51st state rhetoric and his unnecessary antagonism of Canada.

Most Canadians I know have friends and family in America and don't want a rift between our countries. It's that Trump has seemingly gone after Canada for made up reasons just to cause problems that has made Canadians angry.

slopinthebag 8 hours ago||
it's not a conservative talking point. i know many people who voted liberal to "stick it to trump" (their words). all they do is talk about trump. they have no idea what is happening in their own country, it's just trump vs canada and carney is the hero. it's ridiculous. and the media fuels it constantly.

as a liberal voter how do you feel about this bill?

aceofspades19 7 hours ago||
>it's not a conservative talking point. i know many people who voted liberal to "stick it to trump" (their words). all they do is talk about trump. they have no idea what is happening in their own country, it's just trump vs canada and carney is the hero. it's ridiculous. and the media fuels it constantly.

The liberal voters I talk to are very rational, normal people. I also disagree the media fuels it constantly. Trump does a lot of exceptional things that make it into the news and so its difficult not to speak about his actions. It's not difficult for Carney to appear hero-like when compared with Trump. All Carney has to do is appear to be the rational foil to Trump's insanity.

> as a liberal voter how do you feel about this bill?

To be honest, I have not done a ton of research into it, but on the face of it, it looks like its a terrible and unnecessary bill. While I voted liberal and in general support Carney, I don't worship him, or feel that he can do no wrong. I disagree with him and the liberal party on several things, this being one of them.

slopinthebag 5 hours ago||
i know there are rational, normal people who are liberal supporters, just like there are rational, normal people who voted for trump. but i think broadly speaking, trump supporters and liberal supporters have a lot in common despite large difference in political beliefs.
aceofspades19 3 hours ago||
Yet you have not provided any minimal amount of reasoning or evidence to support this claim. You're just being purposefully inflammatory and not responding to anything that is being said.
krunck 15 hours ago|||
Does "liberal" mean the same thing it does in the USA?
rangestransform 14 hours ago|||
You can think of them as the equivalent of the DNC-preferred wing of the democrats
kps 14 hours ago||||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Canada
munk-a 13 hours ago||||
It does not and it's quite confusing. You'll often see people use the term LPC or Liberal and avoid lower-case liberal due to the confusion of that word. In Canada the Liberal party is a fiscally centrist/corporate & socially liberal(ish) (aka it's similar to the traditional British definition of Liberal). The Conservatives are a large right wing reactionary block that seems to be perpetually in the minority but with a large loyal voting block while the actual opposition mostly comes from three parties that rotate in and out of relevance as a left-wing voice BQ (Bloq-quebecois), NDP (New Democratic Party - fading since the death of Jack Layton), and the Greens (Environmental sorta, but also weirdly anti-science sometimes). And that's on the national level - at the provincial level it gets even weirder with the BCLiberals (recently named BCUP) being socially and fiscally conservative and opposed by the BC NDP and other minor parties.

Liberal doesn't mean the same as it does in the US because it barely has a consistent meaning up here.

canadiantim 10 hours ago||||
In Canada, it just refers to the Power Corporation
slopinthebag 11 hours ago|||
No, I probably should have used "Liberal" to indicate I'm talking about the Liberal Party of Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Canada

it's a bit of a misnomer imo. if we're talking about classical liberalism, the conservatives fit that label better. if we're talking about "liberals" i.e. the left, the NDP would fit that label better. the modern Liberals are more like neoliberal technocrats, who favour top-down state interventionism and who are the ones driving surveillance bills and attacking privacy.

drop_star 15 hours ago||
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shovas 15 hours ago||
This is Canada, he's spot on. It's insane here.
drop_star 13 hours ago||
I'm also in Canada no its not this is a stupid take both Liberals and Conservatives push the same neo-libral crap. The only difference is the Cons want to push a culture war on us. Go back to Russia bot
hellgas00 10 hours ago||
>Cons want to push a culture war

You could say the same thing about the social agenda of the Liberal party. They will expand the Temp Foreign Workers program undermining wage growth for the poorest while pushing controversial social issues front and center.

FLeXMurphy 16 hours ago||
Love this. Looking forward to a private keys being `4` because the govt needs it that way.
likelybot 14 hours ago||
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morrocanrapist 16 hours ago||
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trallnag 16 hours ago|
FYI /pol/ is up again
bluefirebrand 16 hours ago||
Frankly surprised that username didn't get some kind of auto flag on its own
motohagiography 16 hours ago||
This govts to attitude to the dignity of its citizens is demoralizing. I have more hope in the outcome of a US annexation than I do for any significant positive policy direction. it’s done. Bureaucracy has triumphed and there’s nothing to save.
shovas 15 hours ago||
Same here. We've disqualified our own sovereignty.
ak2372 14 hours ago||
Traitor.
tarpitt 12 hours ago||
traitor to what? what does our country even stand for?
tensor 2 hours ago||
You should leave and revoke your citizenship.
petermcneeley 6 hours ago|
The meta analysis on this is is quite interesting HN tends to have a positive opinion on modern Canada. They then find it difficult to understand why it moves towards a tech dystopia.

How will these HNers square the circle of their cognitive dissonance.

Read the above to find out!

weaksauce 6 hours ago||
how is it cognitive dissonance when canada is mostly in the right about a lot of issues that america is in the wrong about? just because you disagree with some dickhead politican's point of view doesn't mean you disagree with the country. there's plenty of shitty bills like this being thrust upon americans against their will. what a weird argument.
petermcneeley 6 hours ago||
When did I mention america?
refurb 6 hours ago||
Canadians can’t help it. They’ve been spoon fed their whole lives whenever they complain that “yeah but we’re not the US!” (even if the US does better on that particular issue)
slopinthebag 6 hours ago||
surely the government is only wrong about privacy. they're right about everything else.