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Posted by Jowsey 21 hours ago

Kimi K3.1 Pro and K3.1 Pro Highspeed(www.kimi.ai)
https://www.kimi.com/code/docs/en/kimi-code/models.html

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/kimi-k3-1-pro

https://www.modelcompare.ai/blog/china-open-source-ai

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the_real_cher 15 hours ago|
Is Kimi abliterated or uncensored?
lucrbvi 15 hours ago|
no
cogman10 21 hours ago||
I've not tried it out, but in the past I've been pretty disappointed in the performance of Kimi models. Deepseek, Qwen, and GLM all appear to perform much better even though Kimi often has higher benchmark scores. Ditto for Mimo.
RussianCow 20 hours ago||
The older Kimi K models (2.5 and 2.6) weren't bad for the time, but all of their models have had problems with overthinking. This also makes them significantly more expensive in practice than their pricing suggests, since they produce way more output (reasoning) tokens than most other models. Anecdotally, I've also had problems with all the pre-K3 models thinking themselves in circles trying to solve very simple problems that other models didn't struggle with. (I haven't played with K3 much because it's just too expensive.)
akazantsev 20 hours ago||
Same for me, however! Check the price-per-task table. They claim to be cheaper than GLM 5.3.

Edit: or they lie... https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/kimi-k3-1-pro

d0mine 19 hours ago|||
For me, it is the opposite. It may be slower but it follows the rules better and makes less stupid mistakes, it takes less time to merge the solution.
InsideOutSanta 20 hours ago|||
I have the opposite impression. I find K3 to be extremely capable at full-stack work; its UI design skills are great. I'd love to use it more, but the quota on Kimi's plans is abysmal. I wonder if these new models improve that.
taytus 18 hours ago||
I loved kimi, but had the same issues with usage limits. Now is too late for me to comeback.
cmrdporcupine 21 hours ago|||
Yep, and often actually very expensive to use. More expensive than the frontier models because there's no realistic coding plan.
simondotau 12 hours ago||
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AmazingTurtle 20 hours ago||
whats the decode tok/s speed?
springtimesun 19 hours ago|
<thinking>
threepts 20 hours ago||
if this model is truly not distilled/benchmaxxed, then why are not investors pouring trillions into moonshot?
staticman2 17 hours ago||
Your question is vague and you didn't explain your point of confusion but consider the fact that securities laws are not fungible between nations.
program_whiz 18 hours ago||
first time? Welcome to the irrational SV investor world. Its about hype, perception, politics, perceived future returns, not actual market fit and the proven viability of a technology. Its pets.com, myspace, and NVIDIA pumps because people want to 10x the money now.

Everyone and their dog has been saying its a bubble, there is no moat, this is all known techniques being scaled (very inefficiently) onto increasingly expensive hardware clusters at exponential cost, etc.

MrBuddyCasino 19 hours ago||
Now I wanna see its slopcode ranking.
dcchambers 20 hours ago||
Wow.
kingjimmy 21 hours ago||
friday launch is bold
sexy_seedbox 13 hours ago|||
Saturday is Friday when you work 996.
maxk42 19 hours ago|||
It's Saturday in China.
Lucasoato 20 hours ago||
Never deploy to prod on Friday.
tonyhart7 20 hours ago||
its better than trillion dollar companies model (Argon)
LZ_Khan 21 hours ago||
woah
shaohua 21 hours ago|
"We Must Pace the Frontier"?
redox99 21 hours ago||
This probably doesn't move the frontier, it just sits at the current frontier (opus 5.5).

Chinese models never agreed to the pacing anyway lol.

Alwayshasbeeb 21 hours ago||
Maybe not the raw intelligence/bench frontier but probably the cost per intelligence frontier.
redox99 21 hours ago||
Not for sub prices (Claude plan is way cheaper than Kimi API prices)
skeledrew 19 hours ago||
It's pretty meaningless to compare plan to API.
redox99 18 hours ago||
You're right, but I believe Kimi plan is barely subsidized.
enjoyyourlife 21 hours ago||
"We must start a cartel with Google, Meta, and OpenAI"
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