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Posted by dsr12 14 hours ago

Dessa: Conversation Model trained only on speech(block.xyz)
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hariseldom 2 hours ago|
Wondering what kind of tokenization they use after the model referred to the movie Memento as The Mento the first time before being corrected.
superdisk 10 hours ago||
Sounds like they trained it on Boxxy or Kat from Sam and Kat. I guess it does sound like a human talking but in an affected unnatural way.
christophilus 9 hours ago|
Yeah. If someone talked to me like that, I’d really want to slap them. I hope no one gets the bright idea of building a customer support bot around this tech.
CyberMacGyver 5 hours ago||
At least a dozen startups are working on it
bushido 11 hours ago||
I was expecting to run into some uncanny valley-esque. It was surprisingly good.

It is kinda scary that we're here already, I can see this being pretty problematic for seniors/public prone to getting scammed.

computerdork 11 hours ago|
Agreed, it’s incredible and scary how natural and human it sounds. It’s gonna be pretty much impossible for almost anyone to tell if they’re talking to AI
ricardobeat 12 hours ago||
> we figured out how to train Dessa on only one NVIDIA GB200 NVL72.

This is the crazy part. It seems pretty smart, and LLMs require 1000x more compute to train. Can this kind of efficiency somehow be achieved with text too?

freeone3000 11 hours ago|
Not if you want the same model that debugs your C++ to also be able to sort objects by shape and generate a description of a video and pick out a good birthday gift for your cousin
mortenjorck 9 hours ago||
"Oh, uh, yeah, pointers and stacks and stuff, uh – lemme spin up Minimax. Just a sec. Ohhh – ok, see where you're casting that float to a double there, uh, line 72..."
WhitneyLand 8 hours ago||
Passing a Turing test over a 5 minute conversation:

- Text interface: Done

- Voice interface: 5-10 years I’ll predict

The demo is nice, but enough obstacles remain that very few people would mistake it for a human over even a 5 min conversation. Chat systems configured to intentionally impersonate can already get people to mistake them for humans most of the time.

There’s been great progress in this area, direct response modeling, parallel reasoning, but last challenges are huge.

The reality is LLMs still seem dumb much more often without significant reasoning time (test time inference). On that point alone they are still an order of magnitude too slow for convincing interactive latency.

Of course they don’t need to meet this bar to be useful, systems are good enough today for lots of applications. It will just be interesting to see what the final delta ends up being.

bm-rf 8 hours ago||
Do you think that, much like how OpenAI scaled up GPT-2 to GPT-3, someone else can train a larger model like Dessa on, say, multiple GB200s?
chzblck 6 hours ago||
You are severely underestimating how stupid/gullible the average person is.
SwellJoe 11 hours ago||
So, I tolerate the "ums" and "ahs" and "uhs" in conversation from humans because they're human. If an AI is going to speak to me (gods forbid), it better be concise and clear and focused, or I'm throwing it out the fucking window.

It is interesting that they've done this reasonably successfully, impressive technology. Novel ideas can have inherent value, absent direct uses they may have, as they can be a stepping stone toward other inventions. But, I'm having a hard time coming up with a use case that isn't predatory or intentionally misleading. Company support agents pretending to be human, for instance. Or, taking the next step on AI girlfriend/boyfriend type interactions. Or, outright scams. Models already do an excellent job with voice cloning, at least for intonation and timbre, adding realistic conversational tics makes it even more likely grandma is going to fall for it when her "nephew" calls needing help.

But, that seems to be extremely common with new tech these days. There's always an angle that is unsavory. Marketing, scams, propaganda, surveillance, killing, that's where the money is, so everything bends toward them.

LluisGerard 11 hours ago||
I also don't get the need for all these imperfections. In some examples it sounds like "she" is half asleep or even tipsy. If I want to talk to an all powered machine that knows my codebase inside out, or that can discuss about technical topics like the universe, science, or a specific technical book, etc... I expect it to be an eloquent speaker, capable of a good cadence, and that's easy to understand. I don't need it to mimic all the imperfections, I want it to be like when I'm talking to a really smart person that keeps me engaged and makes me feel smart.

Especially when you keep in mind that not everyone knows english as their first language. I know he's a bit controversial sometimes but Neil deGrasse Tyson is easy to understand and explained interesting topics in his podcast (I could still understand most of it when I was still getting used to listening to english 15+ years ago).

If conversation is the new interface then we will need UX designers to take care of this.

driverdan 9 hours ago||
I came here to say the same thing. I don't want a computer constantly inserting stop words, pauses, laughing unnecessarily and interrupting me. This seems technically impressive but is not something I'd want to interact with.
andai 3 hours ago||
Close enough, welcome back Google Duplex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5VN56jQMWM

For real though, it's been bothering me, how did they do this in 2018? (Some kind of symbolic logic based AI?)

Also props to the people at Block, Dessa is very cool :)

coef2 10 hours ago||
I know someone who recently came across a scammer where a guy impersonated a sheriff's deputy and tried to get money out of her. She told me the guy sounded like a real sheriff and made her believe the guy until he asked her to pay some money in Bitcoin. I can imagine that this type of scam could go viral soon. Even worse, someone could record our voice and fine-tune a model like this so that it can produce our voice and then talk to our family members to deceive them. It'd be a real trouble.
notrustincloud 6 hours ago||
Already had one call from a scammer AI voice that was pretending to be the official billing dept. of my phone company's larger carrier. Was pretty realistic and beleivable as a human voice, but the very moment i hesitated when asked to provide information.. "you should have that information" i started to say but the agent cut the call at the point between my first and second syllable. The caller ID was already suspect, and when I checked that number it is associated to a sex line. But the voice was polite and official sounding...it wasn't the voice that twigged my suspiciousness. Granny is going to have to start requiring everything via registered mail to not get scammed.
30minAdayHN 10 hours ago||
Totally agree. Those scam calls calling as IRS agent, or outsourced criminal shops that try to steal identity, now this makes it much easier. No more foreign accent. They can hyper optimize to sound like a person from that specific locality.
ajam1507 11 hours ago||
This feels like a parlor trick where the AI was trained to mimic informal telephone mannerisms. The actual conversations were pretty bad. Lots of style, not much substance basically.
MisterMunchkin 3 hours ago|
The real question is, does it actually understand sound?

Conventional LLMs are just running speech to text and then working on the text, so they can’t understand music or humming or any sort of sound.

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