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Posted by jumploops 13 hours ago

Dolly Parton's Imagination Library(imaginationlibrary.com)
With today's news, I thought I'd share this great program:

“When I was growing up in the hills of East Tennessee, I knew my dreams would come true. I know there are children in your community with their own dreams. They dream of becoming a doctor or an inventor or a minister. Who knows, maybe there is a little girl whose dream is to be a writer and singer.

The seeds of these dreams are often found in books and the seeds you help plant in your community can grow across the world.”

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arjie 12 hours ago|
My daughter receives books through this program and I was curious how it was sustained at a $2.5/book wholesale cost.

Interestingly, the coordinating body that selects books, facilitates distribution, and negotiates wholesale pricing is the Dolly Parton Imagination Library, but per-book funding is actually entirely through local charities and so on. This means that where charities are unable to act as partners, children will not receive books, but it also means that the program can operate by growing and shrinking as local support (including from state and local government grants) comes online and goes offline while keeping the overhead for local partners low.

Dolly Parton came up with the initial local structure for her region in Tennessee and David Dotson of Dollywood scaled the operation using this decentralized model. Very impressive structure that makes this sustainable.

Here’s the interview where he talks about it: https://www.endbookdeserts.com/dolly-parton-imagination-libr...

keiferski 3 hours ago||
Reminds me a bit of how Andrew Carnegie funded building public libraries: he would only build one if the local community agreed to provide books and operate it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_library

conductr 11 hours ago|||
Regarding cost per unit. I think the publisher likes this type of partner because they can really get their initial order volume up high without much risk. This allows them to have a super low cost per unit, maximizing profit, from the start.
ssttoo 8 hours ago|||
Yup, and the “industry standard” wholesale discount publishers give to e.g. bookstores is usually 55%
TuxedoBuddy 7 hours ago||
That seems like an incredible discount. Can I assume then that bookstores are competing against each other via very minute (perhaps one or two dollar) price discounts while still maintaining a high profit margin?
danielheath 7 hours ago||
I worked at a publisher back around 2010.

The unit cost for the publisher to put a $20 AUD book on a shelf in a book shop was about $2 AUD.

The bookstore kept quite a bit of that margin - $10 or so - but they had to pay rent & staff a store. If they were only selling $500 worth of books per day, it wouldn't have mattered if their margin was 100%, the fixed overheads would eat it all. If they could keep stock turning over quickly, the profits were impressive.

TuxedoBuddy 6 hours ago||
That makes sense to me. Thank you for that anecdote. I had no idea about these figures.
what 4 hours ago|||
> initial order volume

None of the books you get through this program are new releases. But they are printed special for imagination library.

runarberg 7 hours ago|||
This structure is (I would argue) a form of mutual aid. Alcoholics Anonymous famously operates under a similar structure. Mutual aid is very popular among Anarchists and is one of the most fundamental tactics of Anarchism, Food not Bombs probably being the most famous mutual aid movements that is explicitly Anarchists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_aid

engineer_22 4 hours ago||
Dolly Parton was famous for her embrace of anarchist sympathies.
graywh 7 hours ago|||
some governments provide funding -- Tennessee has been covering half the costs statewide
throw7 6 hours ago||
https://www.wbir.com/article/life/people/dolly-parton/tennes...
BrtByte 9 minutes ago|||
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JeremyNT 9 hours ago||
Really glad to see this as the top comment.

Parton did a lot of very nice things and was a great contributor to society in good and decent ways that many of her wealth peers totally fail.

But there has since her passing been an element of myth and folklore that has elevated those accomplishments beyond reality.

Her library is a great idea and her support was notable, but the funding in large part comes from government grants and other donors.

To a large degree, the library program is also your tax dollars at work.

mshroyer 8 hours ago|||
Funding is easy to get once you have an impressive and demonstrably good program. But without Dolly's work (and yes, the work of people she brought on to carry out her vision), none of this program would currently exist.
genxy 7 hours ago||||
Money is fuel, but it needs an engine. Dolly designed and built the engine.
what 4 hours ago||
All of the books I’ve received through this program have been paid for by the local library and other city funds.

I can also walk into the library and there will be a shelf of free childrens books. Not used, brand new. Stacks of them to take home and keep.

The engine already existed, our public library system.

overfeed 4 hours ago||
> The engine already existed, our public library system

How good one's library is depends on how well-off the operating local government is. The Imagination Library is more egalitarian because it's often funded at county and state-level, so kids with underfunded libraries get the same level of access as other kids from wealthier zip codes

cactusplant7374 7 hours ago|||
Perhaps you can expand on why you think that is a bad idea.
JeremyNT 5 hours ago||
I don't! I think it was a great idea. But I think people commonly misunderstand the way the program operates, assuming Parton herself was funding it, and I'm glad somebody highlighted its structure.
peterleiser 13 hours ago||
In Tennessee hospitals a nurse, staff member, or authorized volunteer will swing by your room in the mother-baby unit and sign you up. Then you start receiving free books by mail each month until age 5. An amazing program by an amazing person!
sarchertech 11 hours ago||
My 5 year old just got his last imagination library book. It showed up right after Dolly passed away.

There was a letter from Dolly to him that ended “I will always love you”. Made my wife tear up.

bigiain 5 hours ago||
I'd like to hope that at least for the majority of children who age out of the Imagination Library, both the child and the parents have "become people who read" and most likely the child gets a membership to their local library.

I remember my family getting taken to our local library every couple of weeks to return and then borrow books while I was in infants school. That made me 9 or 10 years old at the very oldest, and my youngest sister would have been at most 5 or 6 years old. So I'm pretty sure aging out of the Imagination Library is a pretty reasonable time to start that child using a "real" library, and start having several books a month available for free that way.

(I fully acknowledge the immense privilege I had having parents who understood and supported the importance of reading and education. I remember being extremely bored in kindergarten - 4 or 5 years old - and getting told to sit in the back with a few other kids who could read already and we'd read books while most of the other kids were being taught to read.)

sarchertech 4 hours ago||
My wife wasn’t sad because he was no longer getting free books.
rboyd 10 hours ago||
It really hits you in the feels. You get so used to receiving them and then all of a sudden it's a bit of a gut check and it reminds you your baby is growing up so fast. Plus the reminder of Dolly's kindness. Unexpected in what was just a simple trip to the mailbox.
brokenmouse 5 hours ago||
I don't need Imagination Library. We are very well off for now, however, someone signed us up for it and I was pissed cause we can buy all this and not take away from someone who needs it. Then we received our first book. My 3 year old loves going to the mail with me and if there's a book, it makes him so happy he opens it and sits in his chair and just looks at it and asks for it to be read to him. He doesn't know about bank accounts or anything, all he cares about is books, his cozy (blanket), Buzz, and Elmo. We decided to keep it and donate to it and I think more people in our position should have services like this to hopefully ground them in a way you forget only by reminding by the smile and laughter of your child, then donate to them.
jubilee33 2 hours ago||
Yes you were at first pissed, and then happy. Why pissed? because of the pride of not needing it coupled with the fear of taking it from the needy.

But it brought you and your child joy, so you did need it.

It's just an assumption that rich people have everything they need or know how to get it.

All people should be included in these programs and they will mostly give back what they can because like you, most feel they are overwhelming positive.

lwhi 39 seconds ago||
We all need the prospects provided by a new points of view, regardless of our situation in life.

However, wealthy people also need to recognise privilege and support rather than take; glad to hear OP chose to support.

talon8635 4 hours ago|||
I do not believe it’s a lottery system. Anyone who signs up gets them. So you are not taking that book from someone else.
what 4 hours ago||
Look at the label on it and it will tell you who paid for the book. It’s likely your local library and other city/county programs. Donate to them instead.
dead_hn_theory 13 hours ago||
We should be more ambitious with the people we build.
eddieroger 12 hours ago||
We should celebrate people like Dolly and not people unworthy of celebration or celebrity.
tclancy 12 hours ago|||
That's so hard though. I feel like she was a 1 in 1 like a lot of great people. Trying to draw a trend line feels impossible. Like ...

  - amazing voice
  - amazing songwriter
  - talented actress
  - an icon for attractiveness in the 80s who was self-effacing about it
  - embraced her fans of all kinds (imagine someone born when she was being so comfortable with people of all races and stripes)
  - just a permanently positive force
Not a lot of people in my lifetime (1975-present) have _no one_ bad-mouthing them. And I am sure there's someone out there bad-mouthing Dolly, but c'mon.
ManuelKiessling 10 hours ago|||
Well, the positive traits you listed are certainly true, but let’s face it: she was also very intelligent and had a self-deprecating sense of humor, so there’s that.
tclancy 9 hours ago||
Oh I left super smart out, but the self deprecating I felt like I got with self-effacing ("It takes a lot of money to look this cheap" is Mae West level gag writing).
eddieroger 9 hours ago|||
Yeah she checked a lot of boxes. But maybe the room made by no longer elevating the unworthy would shine a light on those who do.
argentinian 12 hours ago|||
Yes, it would be nice if people who make the world a better place would receive more attention and appreciation.
PLenz 12 hours ago||
Exactly, noblesse oblige
turtleburger 13 hours ago||
These books are really nice quality. Anyone who has children should absolutely look into this. The content is thoughtful and diverse.
bredren 12 hours ago|
Many of the stories are good. The library also selects books that offer some stories reflecting diverse cultures.

Growing up in the 80s everything is white folks or animals but almost always it is about a boy or boys.

I think the baby books are still board books. Cordoroy’s Shapes is part of what I remember about our first’s earliest years. Reading it over and over. We even did a first birthday theme for it. My mom made triangle tarts.

After that they are floppy picture books. I suppose at this scale is is probably both economical and reflects some of the material involved.

That is just fine, though it’s just not the same as holding a hardcover.

Our kids don’t care about that, though. It’s more about the time and talking about the pictures and how well we ham it up.

shermantanktop 12 hours ago|||
Hamming it up is an overlooked parental contribution to reading. Lay it on thick! Do all the voices, act like you don’t know what’s on the next page, be shocked and surprised. Kids love it.
NetMageSCW 6 hours ago|||
Even in the 70s when I was 8 or older I seem to remember plenty of series with girl protagonists like Nancy Drew or the Bobbsey Twins or The Dana Girls or Trixie Belden or even SF like Telzey Amberdon or even The Rolling Stones or Podkayne of Mars.

And, of course, there was the Oz books.

tisdadd 5 hours ago||
This reads like a good portion of books I say need to be grabbed when I see them at sales for our family library. I know some people will disagree, but I feel as though general children's and young adult aimed literature has been harder to find that is both clean and well written.

It is interesting to me that a good story, poorly written, can be souch harder to get though than a well written boring story that just flows well.

HelloUsername 13 hours ago||
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bengotow 12 hours ago||
I have a two year old and have been receiving Imagination Library books monthly since he was born. This is a really wonderful non-profit. It's easy to sign up, the books show up in your mailbox, and each one has a page written by an educator describing how to read it to your child. (Point out the dog, what noise does a dog make? How does the boy feel at the end? etc) Highly recommend!
talon8635 10 hours ago||
We use it and my son always screen “Dolly!” When we get to her picture in the back jacket. Wonderful service from one of the best Americans to have ever lived.

For jewish themed books, PJ Library is a similar good service

Computer0 6 hours ago|
Unfortunately they support the existence of the state of Israel, so due to matters of conscience my wife and I had to skip PJ.
msbertenthal 6 hours ago|||
My oldest has had PJ library for 9 years. 95% of those books have had nothing to do with Israel.

I’m a bit incredulous of your justification - Do you also not associate with Jews that believe that Israel should exist?

talon8635 4 hours ago|||
Sigh. I was really hoping the topic of children’s books would be exempt from the flame war. Silly me.
TheAtomic 13 hours ago|
We need more Dolly Partons.
amelius 11 hours ago||
Yes, and we need them also in places like CEO of AI company, CEO of space company, CEO of twitter-style communications company, ...
xgulfie 11 hours ago||
Someone like Parton wouldnt take those positions
amelius 10 hours ago||
Probably because VCs don't want that ...
Computer0 1 hour ago||
Nor do dolly partons…
runarberg 12 hours ago|||
What Dolly was doing here is a form of mutual aid, a practice of sharing skills, knowledge, food, or material goods with your community. I encourage everyone to participate in mutual aid organizations if you are able.

The world needs more Dolly Partons, that is for sure. But lucky for us, the world has many billions of people who are willing and able to participate in the sort of mutual aid that Dolly championed.

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