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Posted by ianand 4 hours ago

Cognitive Mercantilism: AI panic resembles fears of early capitalism(contraptions.venkateshrao.com)
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visarga 2 hours ago|
I think the article is insightful. I want to contribute my perspective:

1. when an AI starts working on a task, it is within a human context, someone pays and decides to assign that work to AI

2. while it performs work on the task it continuously needs to interact with the context in order to act and observe the feedback

3. at the end of work, the outcomes remain in context, including gains, losses, costs, risks and liability.

So AI is great but can't do the beginning, middle and end of a task. They belong to context, which is us, the AI users. Context is maximally distributed, every human, team, or company that uses AI is a context, they are relational and indexical. You can't have my context, for example - you can't eat for me, or learn for me. Some things must loop back. Especially consequences of AI work. That is irreducible, AI can't improve to grow a skin like us. Its own skin is user base gain/loss, competition with other AI providers and dancing for investors. Every AI usage context is not theirs and they can't own it.

What happens to companies is that their investors expect AI usage already, their competitors use it to compete with them and fast follow, and customers use AI agents to arbitrate their buying opportunities. So even if they did nothing AI related they find themselves in a new world where.

1. anything visible can be easily imitated - code, text, media, and AI agents - I call it the fast follow effect

2. any apparent arbitrage opportunity will be quickly crowded by fast followers removing profit from it

3. AI it self is competitive and the whole stack is fungible - models, harnesses, tools, they can all be replaced easily, what matters more is the project context data which is usually a git backed folder on local disk

So my theory is that AI won't make anyone "rich". Instead we have a musical chairs moment. AI removes distinctiveness from everyone of us. Every time I use AI for myself it is just great and amazing. When others use it, they make our own work seem little and not as impressive. Companies are caught in a Red Queen effect, have to work harder just to stay in place.

And here I find the answer to what will we do with all our free time - compete, run for our own musical chair. We need to find our own niches again, they are now under rapid change. We will invest as much energy as needed to do it, we are ready to pay a lot of effort to differentiate back. But we can't predict it just as you can't predict where the ball in a football match will go 1 minute later, it depends on what every other player is doing.

wisty 1 hour ago|
So if I'm reading you right, the question is, is the context that matters a consumer, a government, or a business?

If a CEO just needs to write "optimise profits" ...

valesco 1 hour ago||
A CEO always just had to write “optimize profits”.

But IMHO what humans do is turn their intentions into reality using tools.

Intention is human, reality is perceived by humans. I feel that you need humans in the whole chain to communicate with reality (the context) and serve as translators and drivers for our tools.

Sorry that I can’t put more precise words here, but I am somehow convinced that there is a fundamental mechanism here that limits the reach of AI.

areoform 1 hour ago||
I think the question of our times is, "Of what use is intelligence?"

I can give you an example from my interactions with people in the space industry.

For the longest time, missions have had a minimum viable skill set problem. The people who become astronauts via (what will be seen as) the classical programs are chosen for their intelligence, adaptability, and resilience.

There's a joke amongst people who've gone through the selection process to become one that the ideal astronaut candidate is an Antarctic shark doctor helicopter pilot physicist.

They're usually subject matter experts in something, and then are given extensive training in everything else. It doesn't matter if you're not a doctor, but if you're going to be more than two days away from civilization, then you're going to learn how to do a tracheotomy for intubation. Because what if it's the doctor who is severely injured?

As long as the crew size is below the size of a small town, there isn't much overlap in expertise, and the amount of knowhow and practical expertise you have to bring to the field is staggering.

AI changes that calculus. You can now give outbound astronauts all of human medical literature, medical equipment, and a specially shaped model that knows the crew, their expertise, and how they did in training.

If the crew doctor goes down, or there is a significant casaulty event, then the crew doesn't have to wait for minutes at a time to get painfully slow instructions from mission control. They can use the machine to augment their training to find creative solutions to the problem with the inventory they have on hand.

NASA has always wanted such systems in play. It's why for the longest time NASA has been spending money on robotic surgeons. But it took these LLMs to make these kinds of missions practical. https://spinoff.nasa.gov/spinoff2000/hm1.htm https://www-robotics.jpl.nasa.gov/what-we-do/research-tasks/...

The speed of light delay made such devices impractical... until now. Astronauts can be the hands or the robots. The machines can provide the specialized expertise. This makes the exploration of our solar system a much more feasible endeavor.

Instead of sending 6 to 10 people, we can send 3 to 5 highly capable people (including a flight surgeon), and augment their expertise with specialized models. AI lets us carry human expertise with us to the stars.

letwhile 2 hours ago||
The british flag on the boat, as if britain would play any role in current times.
lampe3 1 hour ago|
Britain as one of the most aggressive nations ever roaming this world actually fits since this is also where Manchester capitalism was born.
EdwardDiego 1 hour ago||
This author apparently never saw a hype train he didn't want to get on.

Have we Unlocked Civilizational Hypercomplexity with Ethereum yet?

Feels like another cryptocurrency to AI pivoter. But hey, credit where credit's due, dude knows how to hustle.

TheWrongGuy 1 hour ago||
goo goo ga ga
worthless-trash 2 hours ago||
This proves that brother has never done farming.
epsteingpt 2 hours ago||
Hate taking down these articles, but this is a very, very bad take. Rationalists always fall down on human behavior.

There is a comforting fairy tale popular among tech optimists: that human history is driven by mental upgrades that trickle down to the masses.

The first part of that sentence is absolutely true. The second part has a much darker side that optimists conveniently ignore.

1. Mercantilism is alive and well. Please see Hormuz, Straight of. 2. Mercantilist rent-seeking is alive and well, just at a layer up of abstraction. See Google, Meta, Microsoft. No single player can compete with them. Ones that somehow manage to even threaten get bought. 3. Tech doesn't solve issues broadly: a modern worker with a battery-powered chainsaw has more productive power than an 18th-century frontier settler. Yet we still have homelessness. Riddle me this, techno-optimist.

But you'll say, we're overall better off. Of course we are. But the gains have BY AND LARGE gone to the wealthiest individuals and countries. The idea that the dude can eat a variety of incredibly rare food sits on the backs of billions of impoverished people who don't spend time in our air conditioned offices on MacBooks.

Great men and discoveries move the world (see Musk, Elon) but their exploits spread wealth HIGHLY unevenly, and big nation states want to steal it in the most mercantile way possible - by forcing and scaling up supply (look at China for cars, steel, and basically any advanced manufacturing right now).

One man intelligence will be a boon for people with agency. But it's HIGHLY unlikely to undo the superstructure which captured the rules of mercantilism AND capitalism at the same time.

decidu0us9034 1 hour ago||
If I'm being very cynical I think people at the AI labs suspect they're going to shrink the market for productive labor but are fine with that since they'll capture a larger share of profits, as perpetual rent-seekers for all intellectual production. They also have this hope that there will imminently be a lot less of us around (they telegraph fear of this outcome, but that feels insincere).
logicchains 2 hours ago||
>But the gains have BY AND LARGE gone to the wealthiest individuals and countries.

This is simply false, the average Chinese or Indian is incredibly better off now than they were 100 or 500 years ago. In fact for the past decade many of the wealthiest countries (many Western European countries, and Japan) have seen barely any growth in living standards at all, GDP-per-capita growth has been concentrated in developing countries.

selcuka 1 hour ago|||
It is correct. The richest 10% now earn 53% of global income. The top 10% average income/bottom 50% average income ratio has went from 18x to 38x in the last 200 years.
cadamsdotcom 1 hour ago||
Ratios gonna ratio.

It's not mutually exclusive with enormous relative improvement at the bottom, from where people were to where they are now. China and India have all but ended open defecation and there's running water in places we'd never dream of a generation ago. Diseases are being eradicated saving huge numbers of lives.

Rich got richer contains zero information about how poor people fared - even accounting for relative numbers in your claim.

lelanthran 2 hours ago||
The TLDR take: now that humans are no longer required for thinking, we will switch to something other than usage of our brains.

Eating, apparently, is completely optional for humans :-/

Just a thing to remember: our intelligence made us the apex predator on this planet. Is there any reason to believe that a superior intelligence, whether man-made or extraterrestrial, won't become the apex predator?

asgraham 2 hours ago|
That’s not really what it’s saying. The analogy it draws is between subsistence farmers and subsistence thinkers aka white collar workers/paper pushers etc. The argument would be that repetitive, brainless thinking will no longer be required (not thinking in general), so people will be freed up for currently unimaginable cognitive pursuits.
bayarearefugee 7 minutes ago|||
> people will be freed up for currently unimaginable cognitive pursuits.

54% of U.S. adults read below a sixth-grade level.

lelanthran 1 hour ago||||
> The argument would be that repetitive, brainless thinking will no longer be required (not thinking in general), so people will be freed up for currently unimaginable cognitive pursuits.

That's a facile, superficial "argument" that is currently being made by everyone who is pro-AI when confronted with any claim of AI pushing humans out of the economy.

At this point in time, it's reasonable to dismiss the argument rather than engaging it, because each time this argument is made the proponent of the argument is completely mute on the fact that humans work to eat.

That's a big underlying counterargument, and no one making the argument is engaging with the counter-argument, they are instead setting up strawman counter-arguments.

10111001 2 hours ago|||
> The argument would be that repetitive, brainless thinking will no longer be required, so people will be freed up for currently unimaginable cognitive pursuits.

Like what?

1. AI isn't going to stop at "repetitive, brainless thinking," just ask the math professors.

2. Even if that's true, is everyone capable of these "currently unimaginable cognitive pursuits"? Oh, there will still be cognitive work for the top-0.1% smartest people is little consolation to the other 99.9%.

3. That argument is basically trying to console people with a combination of "trust us" and the underpants gnome business plan ("1. Collect underpants, 2. ?, 3. Profit).

raised_by_foxes 2 hours ago|
Thankfully capitalism didn't have any negative consequences.
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