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Posted by geox 2 days ago

SS United States to be sunk as largest artificial reef(divemagazine.com)
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dsabanin 23 minutes ago|
So much symbolism in this passage:

"The SS United States, once the fastest passenger liner in the world, is scheduled to be sunk in the Gulf of Mexico"

GolfPopper 9 hours ago||
"Oh, better that her shattered hulk

Should sink beneath the wave;

Her thunders shook the mighty deep,

And there should be her grave;

Nail to the mast her holy flag,

Set every threadbare sail,

And give her to the god of storms,

The lightning and the gale!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Ironsides_(poem)

ezrabuenk 10 minutes ago|
straight fire
geokon 9 hours ago||
Was strangely difficult to find on Wikipedia what the "SS" actually means

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw_steamer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_prefix

foo42 21 minutes ago||
Thanks, TIL!

Apparently the RMS prefix on the RMS Titanic stands for "royal mail steamer" as it was authorised to carry the post.

zelphirkalt 42 minutes ago|||
If those are the most prominent things you find for that abbreviation, I have to start doubting Wikipedia. As a German seeing that abbreviation so freely used is always a little bit shocking.
loeg 28 minutes ago|||
The German one isn't relevant for post-war American ships. Hope that helps.
Xirdus 28 minutes ago|||
Wait until you learn about SS the government security service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service

(Officially USSS, but it's often abbreviated to SS in common parlance.)

loeg 28 minutes ago||
Or Social Security.
scrollaway 9 hours ago|||
Here is a great video on the topic.

https://youtu.be/ZOXymrplqCg

geokon 8 hours ago||
the video claims it "Steam Ship" and not "Screw steamer". But later claims TSS is "triple screw steamship". So I'd be hesitant to trust the rest of the video's content.
RobotToaster 8 hours ago||
The first steam ships were paddle steamers, wiki even says SS can just be a generic term for steam ship.

It's not unusual for acronyms to have multiple meanings, the S in HMS can mean submarine, as submarines aren't ships.

tengwar2 7 hours ago||
There's still one sea-going paddle steamer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley.
silisili 8 hours ago||
Gilligan's Island lied to us all. The Minnow clearly wasn't a steamer...
tylergetsay 9 hours ago||
Incase anyone was unaware part of the consideration for where to sink it is access for divers -- the top will be around 55ft deep which will make it accessible for recreational divers
adamheath 5 hours ago|
>The ship is expected to rest in approximately 55m (180ft) of water, with her upper decks reaching depths of around 17–18m (55–60ft), making the wreck suitable for recreational and technical divers alike.

It should be very good for both

Ericson2314 4 hours ago||
Between 55 feet and 55 meters, how poetic.
WalterBright 9 hours ago||
It's a sad day. I crossed the Atlantic in it long ago. Some great memories.
bunderbunder 9 hours ago||
Bittersweet, perhaps? I've never seen the ship in person but I've been following its story. It seems that Okaloosa County snatched it out of the jaws of the scrapyard just in the nick of time.

It won't be floating anymore, but it will at least be somewhat physically intact, at least relative to the state it was already in. It was pretty well stripped bare back in the 80s, and further gutted after that asbestos abatement project a while back. And it will be available for people who can SCUBA dive to visit.

31carmichael 57 minutes ago|||
you can also swim down to the top of it if you're good at holding your breath.
quietsegfault 7 hours ago|||
I’ve seen it at least once a week if not more for 10 or 15 years. It’s really startling that it’s missing from the waterfront. Super big bummer no one could make it work.
waltbosz 7 hours ago||
You must be in Philly. Every time I visit IKEA, I'd have a meal in the cafe and sit by the window to look at it.
stevesimmons 8 hours ago|||
I sailed in a similar liner, originally the SS America, though renamed the SS Australis by the time my family took it in 1974 for the 5 week journey from UK via Cape Town to Australia.

The SS Australis passed through multiple owners until it ran aground while being towed near the Canary Islands and broke into two.

A sad end to a majestic ship.

One memory of the trip was the week in the Indian Ocean midway between Africa and Australia where the waves were so large the ship's dining rooms made the tablecloths wet to stop the plates sliding off as we tried to eat breakfast...

Zafira 2 hours ago||
I believe the America was essentially a testbed for the United States. They were both amazing ships designed by William Francis Gibbs and the United States was specifically designed with conversion to a troopship in mind, if necessary. Its propulsion system was classified as a state secret for a time and there are pictures of models shown to the public early on where everything below the waterline was covered up.
WalterBright 5 hours ago|||
At one point there was a storm. I was very impressed with the size of the waves and the ship would just muscle through it.

Some years ago I was on a cruise ship. The captain announced that they were changing course to avoid a storm. I was disappointed :-/

buildbot 5 hours ago|||
That’s more for comfort than anything I would think, a modern cruise ship can easily take pretty insane storms? They have active stabilization systems and huge amounts of mass while still powered by relatively strong engines?
Animats 5 hours ago|||
Right. The S.S. United States was built for winter North Atlantic conditions, with a power plant, hull, and watertight compartments more like a warship than a cruise ship. She could be converted to a troop carrier if necessary, something that had been done to big liners during WWII. Cruising speed 30MPH, top speed 44MPH. Great for getting across the Atlantic in 3 1/2 days. Not so great on fuel economy.

Cruise ships today look like hotels mounted on barges [1]. About half the speed. A refurbished SS United States was never going to compete in that market, and plans to do so were never funded.

[1] https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-ships/icon-of-the-seas

rkagerer 9 hours ago|||
Lasted three quarters of a century, not bad!
fsckboy 5 hours ago||
United States was withdrawn from service in a surprise announcement in 1969. All planned cruises were canceled, and the ship changed owners repeatedly for the next several decades. Every owner attempted to make the ship profitable, but she was aging and poorly maintained. In 1984, her interior furnishings were sold at auction, and the rest of her interiors were stripped to the bulkheads in 1994. In 1996, she was towed to Philadelphia, where she remained until February 2025.

(not sure it should have been much of a surprise, jetliners were taking all the high paying traffic)

fsckboy 5 hours ago||
The fastest transatlantic crossing by a passenger liner was set by the SS United States in July 1952, averaging 35.51 knots (65.76 kmh) earning her the Blue Riband
kragen 9 hours ago||
If this is interesting to you, there's still one ocean liner left: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Mary_2

Buy a ticket while you can.

Maxion 25 minutes ago||
Definitely can't afford that, this is going to be one of those life regrets I think that I won't be able to do.
whyenot 9 hours ago|||
I wonder if Cunard/Carnival will ever build a replacement to her.
kragen 8 hours ago||
No. Possibly Kishore Patil, who was born yesterday in Mumbai, will build a replacement for her on a whim when he is 70, using self-assembling nanobots, or possibly next century the Creative Cold War Re-Enactment Society will cosplay 20th-century steel-mill workers and welders long enough to build a replacement for her in a period-correct fashion, but nothing really resembling Cunard will exist in a future where building a replacement for her is possible.
samatman 7 hours ago||
Not to toss cold water in the face of your maudlin science-fictional musings (kidding I’m totally doing that), QM2 is the 51st largest passenger ship afloat.

They call them “cruise ships” now, because the only reason to float around like that is fun, not business. So they have waterslides and such. Slightly less old-growth hardwood paneling, fewer places where one is allowed to smoke cigars.

But no. There are ten Greeks who could build another Queen Mary as a lark, and that’s just counting Greeks. However rich you think the world is? It’s richer than that.

Zeppelins, though. Those, I will grant you, have gotten scarce. Oh, the humanity.

dn3500 3 hours ago|||
Cruise ships and ocean liners are two different kinds of ship. An ocean liner has higher freeboard, higher service speed, longer bow, greater draft, and other features that make it more suitable for crossing oceans.
ornateelephant 4 hours ago||||
Forget the Greeks, have a look at Clive Palmer. Not just dreaming about building a replica Titanic, but also wanted to revive zeppelins commercially.
kragen 6 hours ago||||
Maybe you're right.
Animats 5 hours ago|||
> Zeppelins, though. Those, I will grant you, have gotten scarce.

Just saw a Zeppelin cruising over Woodside today. It's Sergey Brin's personal project, Pathfinder. It's a true Zeppelin, a rigid airship, not a blimp, and the world's largest air vehicle. [1] First flew in 2025, but, unlike the Airship Ventures craft we used to see giving tours over Silicon Valley, it's not flown often. It's normally parked in Hangar One at Moffet Field.

[1] https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/big-helium-airship-spott...

kragen 5 hours ago||
Thank God for billionaires, but why can't he stop Google from creating dystopia instead?
derwiki 4 hours ago||
Probably much, much easier to make a zeppelin
jauntywundrkind 9 hours ago|||
I had a coworker whose not a fan of flying who has done a couple crossings now, really enjoys it! I think of the Queen Mary 2 a bunch because of them, their tales. A little world of fans who really enjoy doing the crossing.
rootusrootus 8 hours ago||
Are there plans to scrap it anytime soon? It's modern, built in the early 2000s, and seems in some ways more like a modern cruise ship than an ocean liner of the last century.
kragen 7 hours ago||
Not that I know of, but it's the only ocean liner left, so when it does get scrapped (perhaps unexpectedly), there won't be any ocean liners.
icepush 2 hours ago||
At first I didn't notice 'SS' in the title and had quite the double-take
williadc 8 hours ago||
This podcast entry has more about the ship's history https://www.omnibusproject.com/episodes/ss-united-states-ent...
jparishy 9 hours ago||
Only love from all the Philadelphians who have sat eating Swedish meatballs and looking at it in wonder. Will be dearly missed
disillusioned 1 hour ago|
Interestingly, we honeymooned on the Celebrity Infinity, and its "theme" at the time (and possibly still?) was the SS United States. They had several pieces of art related to it, and more interestingly, the original china pattern for their plateware in the fancy restaurants.
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