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Posted by soheilpro 19 hours ago

New iPad mini(www.apple.com)
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nakovet 18 hours ago|
Last iPad Mini I bought in 2015 was 32gb for $379CAD, one today 11 years later is $949CAD for 128gb, 2.5x over 10 years, I know there is different tech, inflation and times are different but I always though the mini as the budget option, now with this recent releases Apple is just going for: it's expensive because that's the only way we can keep growing....
andjd 17 hours ago||
The mini is not the budget option, at least not anymore. The base 11" iPad starts at $450 in the US (and can often be found on sale for less). It is the cost-down with lower-spec components, and is probably a more compelling product for the consumer looking for the cheapest iPad option than a cost-down mini would be.
rjrjrjrj 17 hours ago|||
Exchange rate is also a factor.

The iPad mini hasn’t been the budget iPad for quite a few years now. It is more like a small iPad Air now.

__rito__ 17 hours ago|||
It is a very rare event what is going on right now. The prices are mostly up due to memory shortage.
al_borland 17 hours ago||
I wish this was somehow listed as a separate line item with the price, assuming prices will normalize at some point. I don’t want these prices to be considered the new normal, even after memory prices come down. I think transparency in the pricing would help with that.
addaon 6 hours ago|||
In 1974, soda prices spiked with a sugar shortage.

- They never came back down.

- Diet soda and seltzer prices spiked too.

jachee 6 hours ago|||
> I don’t want these prices to be considered the new normal

“Oh, ho, ho… you sweet summer child.” —Capitalism

mahboi 5 hours ago||
Plenty of prices have risen and fallen before
Barbing 17 hours ago|||
> I always though the mini as the budget option

Keeping up appearances:

Lease from $14.99/mo. per month for 36 mo.months with Apple Upgrade Footnote ※

r0fl 18 hours ago|||
8.7% annual inflation is pretty high but most luxury goods have kept up with that

Check Porsche 911 / Boxster pricing in Canada over those years or Chanel bags

Luxury inflation > normal inflation

mahboi 5 hours ago|||
Luxury inflation is more than normal inflation, but this isn't a luxury even though it's not necessary, and the price isn't going up due to the steady cause of inflation (money creation).
paxy 17 hours ago||||
Computers are a “luxury good” now?
SkyeCA 17 hours ago|||
Ones made by Apple? Definitely. There are other cheaper options.
mahboi 5 hours ago||
The cheap ones have gone up in price even more as a %
jkahrs595 17 hours ago||||
In what world is the latest and greatest Apple product NOT a luxury good?
r0fl 15 hours ago||||
Yes, Apple iPad minis are luxury goods
Grombobulous 17 hours ago|||
If we remove the last year of AI-related storage/RAM cost increases, the rate of inflation is way lower if not flat.

The iPad is not the only device that has had price increases in the last year.

233mhz 17 hours ago|||
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vultour 17 hours ago||
The US is one of the wealthiest countries on earth, there’s nothing surprising about 50% of the population being able to afford luxury items.
233mhz 17 hours ago||
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975357985 14 hours ago||
Fuck off to reddit, you braindead consoomer.

You're the kind of mindless drone that's impressed by gold leaf steaks.

233mhz 10 hours ago||
You hit the wrong reply button pal
ezconnect 17 hours ago||
Their budget iPad I think got 70% increased in price a couple of months ago. I was planning to upgrade my iPad mini to the normal 11inch iPad and when I checked the price it was nowhere near the price I remembered I last saw it.
rconti 16 hours ago||
Apple: Just fix the software. I have an iPad Mini (6?) and it's clearly just such an orphaned product. They're not even TRYING to make it usable. The on-screen keyboard takes up the majority of the screen when in landscape mode. In portrait mode, the "drawer" on the left side of the screen takes up so much space in apps like Maps/Flighty that it covers the location you're currently at.

They've clearly given almost no thought into how the (already marginal) iPadOS renders on a smaller screen.

xrd 17 hours ago||
I bought a used iPad for my daughter for her birthday about a year ago for about $500.

M4 chip.

Her mom's cats chewed on the corner of the screen. It won't turn on.

The cost to replace that screen: $1200.

Apparently OLED screens break completely if just a single pixel is damaged.

ChrisRR 17 hours ago||
I don't think that's unique to OLED. There's all manner of things that could've gone wrong when breaking a corner in both LCD and OLED
mrheosuper 5 hours ago|||
Where do you find an iPad with M4 and OLED screen for $500 ?
mint5 12 hours ago|||
your ex’s cat chewed on the corner of an iPad? Does the cat have some more interesting stories of destruction since it apparently likes chewing on metal/glass, a higher level of destruction setting than the standard cat.
makeitdouble 17 hours ago|||
Only Apple can properly replace these screens and pair the parts (FaceId etc), so setting the standard repair cost high enough helps push people toward Apple Care eligible new devices, handicapping the second hand market.

That has been the case basically since Apple Care existed IMHO.

alwillis 16 hours ago||
> Only Apple can properly replace these screens and pair the parts

Not true. Apple has a self-service repair program for most of its products, including the iPad mini.

All the repair manuals are available online and you can buy official Apple parts. [1] They'll even sell or rent the tools you will need.

[1]: https://selfservicerepair.com/en-US/home

makeitdouble 13 hours ago|||
You're right, the self-service repair program exists. It doesn't clear neither the pairing issue nor parent's hurdles though, as Apple parts are still required , you can't get any similar enough screen you'd want, and they'll be priced the same as in Apple Stores.

As far as I remember, the self-repair kits only make sense in very niche cases (I think repair shop get a different contract ?) and won't work around any limitations Apple puts on parts or repairs.

xrd 10 hours ago||
I did not call Apple, this was a local "fix my iPad" shop.

It was funny, the guy was narrating as he is searching saying "Whoa, this is the most I've ever seen... Wow, oh man... Hold on..."

I knew it was not going to be good.

I asked if there were any DIY options for me.

He said I could possibly find a used iPad online and swap that screen. But, given the insane prices of the replacement screen, I assume the secondary market for a salvageable iPad that works is really tough.

At this point it makes sense to just buy another used iPad.

ghusto 11 hours ago|||
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Grombobulous 7 hours ago|||
Because you gave the context clues of M4 chip and OLED screen and $1200 repair cost, this means you somehow snagged an iPad Pro 13” with the cellular modem for $500, which is way below market value.

The current version of this model of iPad purchased brand new is $1700.

In other words, this is the highest end iPad available. Any other lower spec model reduces the repair cost lower than what you were quoted.

gib444 17 hours ago|||
> The cost to replace that screen: $1200.

That's Apple saying to you: omg, stop being so poor and wasting our time, just buy another one

FireBeyond 12 hours ago||
Yup. Had an MacBook Air. Slight water damage near charging port. Laptop functioned correctly on AC power. Extensive battery diagnostics: Healthy. Just the charging circuit saying "go ahead, charge device"...

At the Genius Bar expected something reasonable, realistic... $300? Parts and labor.

"So we have a quote for you, $950. Perhaps we go out and look at the new Macs together?"

90% of the cost of the laptop to replace the charging port.

asdff 13 hours ago|||
Her mom keeps jungle cats or something?
dreamcompiler 17 hours ago||
That happened to my MBP without OLED. Fortunately I had Applecare.
red369 6 hours ago||
You mean that the corner was damaged, not that a cat also chewed on the corner of your MBP, right? I'm still in shock that a cat would chew on glass and metal enough to damage it - two cats doing it is too much in one day!
dreamcompiler 3 hours ago||
Yeah it was my cat. One bite and the screen turned black. He was a kitten at the time. Kittens chew on everything.
asimovDev 18 hours ago||
Ctrl+F "ProMotion" 0 results

non-starter

pprotas 18 hours ago||
60hz is the reason i sold mine. Otherwise I loved that little ipad
codq 12 hours ago||
Yep, I've long been envious of my wife's iPad Mini for the form factor, but my eyes want to scream when using 60hz refresh.

This is a major reason why I'm ponying up the dough for the iPhone Duo.

The iPhone Duo is as close as we're getting to the iPad Mini Pro we've all been asking for.

twostorytower 18 hours ago|||
Seriously, what’s the point if it doesn’t have ProMotion? 60hz feels so sluggish.
cyanydeez 18 hours ago||||
I really dont understand the hardon for refresh rates.

This isn't even a "people dont see that fast".

It just, it seems more like a perceptual addiction to a trivial feature. A penis measuring contest more than a useful advancement of technology.

speak_plainly 18 hours ago|||
There is an entire field of study dedicated to this sort of thing called Psychophysics. It’s hardly trivial. Perception isn’t an absolute measure of sensory input as it’s influenced by context, comparison, as well as prior experience. Improvements in one experience can change the standards by which we judge subsequent ones. These principles have had profound implications across entire industries. A good primer is the book Priceless: the hidden psychology of value by Poundstone.
asdff 13 hours ago||
And what is it being used for though? To better scroll instagram and various message app inboxes? We needed 120hz for this? I mean a lot of people including here on HN are just buying this to scroll x. It is an iphone after all, walled garden means that's about all the sort of things you can do with this thing.
kingstnap 18 hours ago||||
It's not a trivial feature. The Class A surface on an iPad is the screen.

If you plan to look at moving things, like scrolling, which is a central part of using the device, 120fps makes the scrolling less blurry and therefore more pleasant to look at.

This is like asking why people have a hardon for cars with nicer materials for seats and interiors if a normal cheap plastic interior could pass all the same crash tests.

RASBR89 15 hours ago||||
Im usually big on refresh rates but this one doesn’t bother me. I move between 60hz iPads and iPhone to 120hz iPad Pros and my mind doesn’t register a difference between them.

I can see the 120hz nice scroll when I’m paying attention but I’m normal use on these devices I forget about it. Basically it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me but I agree it should probably be the standard

goodmythical 18 hours ago||||
I don't know about for phones/tablets.

The only genuine performance increase I could see is if you're using it for drawing/notes because the Apple Pencil samples at 240/s so you would see a difference in drawing smoothness between 60/120/240hz screens. This would mirror the use case in fast-paced and high action games - more info for your eyes sooner allowing better reaction times.

Also, isn't ProMotion just branded VRR? Allowing for lower battery use in static/low change applications?

throwaway85825 18 hours ago||||
It's not just the maximum refresh rate, the variable refresh rate allows for power saving.
afavour 18 hours ago||
That's a problem already solved by having a lower refresh rate, though. You can't get extra battery drain from 120hz when your device can only achieve 60hz.
drfloyd51 18 hours ago||
But can save more by dropping the refresh rate to 1hz and upping to 30, 60, 120 as needed.
BenFranklin100 16 hours ago||||
I agree. I have an iPhone 18 Pro. I don’t notice the difference between it and my older, non-ProMotion iPad that I use side by side.

It’s a penis measuring contest for display enthusiasts, much like gold connectors are for audio enthusiasts.

poly2it 18 hours ago||||
It's probably very subjective, but I actually feel dizzy using my phone in 60 Hz mode.
dawnerd 16 hours ago||
It’s weird too I use a 60hz monitor all day and it doesn’t bother me. But if my iPhone switches to 60 it’s really noticeable.
ezconnect 17 hours ago|||
It is a real thing. If you experienced the shift from CRT to the first generation of LCD screens and the CRT bros are not moving to the new technology because it gives them headaches and the majority of people are OK with the refresh rates. The 60fps to 120fps perception is hard to explain.
jerojero 18 hours ago||||
you don't need promotion if you're going to use it for movies, but OLED is a huge improvement in this regard.

the price is a bit high, but that's all apple products.

i do think this means a lot of android tablets on this form factor are going to start coming out with OLED screens as well though, which is good, as they will be much cheaper.

bbatha 18 hours ago||
120hz is nice for movies because you get non fractional frame pull down for 24, 30, and 60 fps which the more common video frame rates.
vallerie 18 hours ago|||
I think the Mini's primary use case that benefits a 120hz screen is art apps, but the artists I know would prefer OLED over 120hz. For entertainment, video is video, and games on tablets often lock to 30 by default to preserve battery life.

For the iPad Air (especially the 13" model!) I agree 100%.

declan_roberts 18 hours ago|||
Apple likes to slow roll features out. It's kind of a necessity when Wall Street expects you to put out a desirable hardware version every few years. Gotta protect that runway!
enos_feedler 15 hours ago|||
Same. But thats what drives me to duo. Probably the whole point
throwaway270925 12 hours ago||
Shouldn't it rather drive you to a Samsung Fold?
dawnerd 17 hours ago||
I was hoping the next mini would. Guess I’ll keep my 6th gen around.
fg137 17 hours ago||
> in an even thinner and lighter design

Never once did I hold my iPad mini with a case and think, "damn this thing is heavy"

hbn 16 hours ago||
Just because it's good doesn't mean it can't be better

The novelty of how thin my M5 iPad Pro is still hasn't worn off. Sometimes it's just nice to hold some tech in your hand that feels like it's from the future.

fg137 12 hours ago||
Since when have we established "thinner and lighter" equals "better"?

In the case of iPhone Air and Galaxy Edge phones, there were notable compromises to achieve a thinner body, for which many people don't consider an improvement.

Granted, I have not seen or used the new iPad mini, and I don't know if any such compromise has been made. But probably should leave it open until we conclude this is a plus.

deadbabe 17 hours ago||
I thought the same thing about iPhones, then I got an iPhone Air and can’t imagine going back to those fat bloated bricks people lug around daily. Worse, they put a thick case on it making it even more portly, because the aluminum bodies dent so easily. iPhone Air is what Steve Jobs would have wanted: a super thin strong Titanium phone that doesn’t need any case to feel complete.
vallerie 18 hours ago||
I'm shocked Apple haven't acquired Procreate yet. It's nearly always in iPad marketing material. Personally I know so many artists who've bought iPads, and the only app they have installed is Procreate.
rumori 17 hours ago||
It’s possible they simply don’t want to sell. ProCreate parent company is extremely successful on its own, it’s possible being part of Apple wouldn’t bring anything to the table for them. Looking at some apps Apple acquired it’s not clear that being part of a mega corporation benefits creative tools.
AndroTux 16 hours ago||
Everyone and everything is for sale for the right price.
freeplay 16 hours ago||
Especially when you have Apple money.
rjrjrjrj 16 hours ago||
Seems like they made their decision when they acquired Pixelmator.
rao-v 3 hours ago||
There’s a tiny segment of folks (like me) who have been waiting a very long time for an 8ish inch OLED tablet. For some reason, until mid 2025, they were extremely rare, even in the Android multiverse. I’m excited because I read a ton with white text on black, and an OLED display (especially with this nanotexture stuff) will make a huge difference.
koziserek 1 hour ago||
And again a useless camera with a bump forcing clients to use it with cover, otherwise it will wobble on a table..

As much as form factor is intriguing, I'd rather keep my 'old' pixel9a and wacom movink 14 combo.

(Bonus points, not supporting Epstein crowd with my money)

socalgal2 25 minutes ago|
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kennyadam 18 hours ago||
$700? Dang. Prices are climbing so fast.
steelframe 18 hours ago||
No need to involve dang in this. He's had nothing to do with these price hikes.
Zigurd 18 hours ago|||
That plus an iPhone cost less than a Duo. But yeah that's expensive.
amelius 18 hours ago||
Yes, those AI subscription prices have a hidden cost ...
crossroadsguy 3 hours ago|
> Apple gives iPad mini its biggest update ever

That's it! Hitting "Buy". This was all I needed to read. Even though the ™ symbol is missing it will do.

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