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Posted by dilawargopang 14 hours ago

Nietzschian Debugger(github.com)
167 points | 53 comments
bazzmt 13 hours ago|
The irony of naming this Nietszche's Debugger when he, Nietszche, directly attacks the Socratic dialectic in the Twilight.

I was thinking Adorno's negative dialectics would be a better, if gloomy, fit; debugging is never-ending.

If you're in a positive or hopeful mood, or still a junior dev, Hegel's determinate negation offers reconciliation and an ending. This is a phase; dear junior devs you too will eventually share the Adornian resignation.

stillpointlab 9 hours ago||
What I find interesting is that Nietzsche's critique of Socrates dialectic has to do with the transfer of power/authority.

Nietzsche states that sovereign power/authority commands without justification. Socrates did not have sovereign power and was therefore unable to win in a traditional power struggle. Socrates therefore reframed the discussion around justification through rational discourse, thereby transferring authority from the old aristocracy to a new priesthood of truth. This relied on the moral claim made by Socrates and eventually adopted by the Greeks (and Western Europe) that virtue = reason (the search for Truth).

So if we accept this interpretation of Nietzsche, then creating AIs that demand justification from us could be seen as handing over power and authority to the AI.

gobdovan 4 hours ago||
Hegel might see the demand of justification from AI as a form of alienation that could make us more deliberate in our choices, particularly in a time where we give up more control away without examining it properly. Unconstrained optionality is not the same as freedom and sometimes putting up your own constrains can increase rather than diminish self-determination, especially when you're aware of the barriers.
wolvesechoes 18 minutes ago|||
Yeah, it reads like a person who knows Nietzsche from Reddit comments.
rafaelRiv 12 hours ago|||
Not only that. Citing "What doesn't kill you make me stronger" in this context is very ironic as Nietzsche was talking for himself. He took that from Ralph Waldo Emerson while stripping the moral aspect of it
IncreasePosts 9 hours ago||
As another more poignant philosopher said, "what doesn't kill you makes you very, very weak"
SAI_Peregrinus 3 hours ago||
What doesn't kill you postpones the inevitable.
pwdisswordfishq 11 hours ago|||
Indeed, my first thought upon seeing the premise explained was "I would have chosen a different philosopher".
dilawargopang 12 hours ago|||
I hope to get laid off soon, so I will improve on it :-)
Der_Einzige 3 hours ago|||
Adorno, and especially Hegel began the process of philosophy turning into fashionable nonsense. The young Hegelian’s were united by their hatred of Hegel classes and his philosophy.

Max stirner, who wrote very well and easy to understand, remains obscure compared to these charlatans because philosophers don’t like it when they can understand what someone wrote.

ignoramous 12 hours ago||
> Nietszche, directly attacks the Socratic dialectic

Probably why Michael Sugrue opined that Friedrich Nietzsche was a Philologist and not a Philosopher.

brumbelow 13 hours ago||
"anti-ai"

> https://github.com/DilawarShafiq/nietzschian-debugger#setup

Step one to setup: "Set your Anthropic API key"...

yaemiko 7 hours ago||
real ones find out with "a user you’ve blocked has previously contributed..." banner at the top
sick_of_slop 12 hours ago||
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gnulinux 13 hours ago||
README.md says:

> The anti-AI.

but then it's an AI-generated picture of Nietzsche [1] and AI-generated README with AI-generated code (Claude being the co-author), and when I read sample transcript e.g. in (nietzschian-debugger/tests/fixtures/sample-sessions/sample-v1.json) it's clear the app also uses LLMs to generate output...

So what do they mean by "anti-AI"?

[1]: All issues with AI-generated images aside, AI-generating a person's likeness seems like the rudest way to do this... At least use an actual photo/drawing of his...

sureMan6 10 hours ago||
I don't think Nietzsche would complain, although doing it for a living person would be very funny (for example when designing a promotional poster)
CamperBob2 6 hours ago||
"Man is a thing that will be surpassed. What have you done to surpass him? Wait, no, not like that"
dkenyser 12 hours ago|||
> So what do they mean by "anti-AI"

Keep reading.

"Guides you to the "aha!" moment — YOUR moment, not the AI's"

This seems like yet another attempt at encouraging people to continue to utilize AI without relying on it.

rafaelRiv 12 hours ago||
It is super laughable when you read his github bio. I had a good laugh not ngl
dilawargopang 12 hours ago||
Glad it gave you a good laugh!
frangonf 12 hours ago||
A markovian prussian rubber duck?

This is pure dev astrology, but in the subsidized Sonnet 3.5 times in copilot I'm guilty of prompting 'You're Uncle Bob make this legacy java services read like a book top down with the cleanest code' just for fun and I might have learnt something and had some fun so I'm not judging.

AyanamiKaine 12 hours ago||
This makes me wonder. What would Nietzsche think of AI and LLM in general? Would he see it as an idol or a monument of human accomplishment?
paimapi 11 hours ago||
I would imagine that using an LLM model for secondhand thinking would be seen as a bit decadent and reflects a weak will, easily influenced by the illusion of authority.

The Will to Power, as far as I understand it, is about how resistance (or friction) produces the strength of will to overcome obstacles. AI does the virtual opposite of that while also commoditizing cognition.

I'd agree with the other commenter that Nietzsche would probably see this as just another reversion to Plato's Forms - LLMs, by nature, are median outputs of cognition. There is no ubermensch to be found amongst the lowest-common-denominator, only the narcotic allure of becoming increasingly, as the kids say, smooth-brained.

wolvesechoes 20 minutes ago|||
Read a part on the Last Man from initial pages of Zarathustra.
Der_Einzige 3 hours ago||
Literally the last man that he’s worried about. AI is the polar opposite of an ubermensch.
greyw 13 hours ago||
Even Anti-AI tech now uses AI. How far we have come!
evanjrowley 3 hours ago||
There are a few Facebook pages I actually like, and using this debugger will remind me of one of them: https://www.facebook.com/GrumpyNietzscheanCat/
dan_p 12 hours ago||
Cool idea, Nietzsche or not. Curious if one could just boil this down into a skill or prompt for better portability though. May give it a try.
dilawargopang 12 hours ago|
Sure
six_seven 9 hours ago||
As a Senior Engineer, this sparked some joy in me for the first time in a while. Please make it a prompt/skill/more portable.
pcblues 5 hours ago||
This is a fun idea with a good premise.

And you must have known you were going to be critiqued here on your choice of philosopher :)

If my AI tells me I must overcome myself, reconcile with myself, find truths, and laugh, and do each of these things ten times each day - and tracks it for me so I know when I can stop developing and will sleep well... then we are talking Nietzsche! - Thus Sprach Zarathustra, The Academic Chairs of Virtue (II)

andai 7 hours ago|
Great idea. This can be generalized to learning in general (Feynman technique), although codebases are a particularly practical application of "help me debug my mental model."
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