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Posted by jonluca 14 hours ago

Three new discoveries in mathematics, computer science, and physics(openai.com)
Related:

The Exponential Time Hypothesis Is False [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50251661

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conartist6 2 hours ago|
Go fuck yourselves
titzer 13 hours ago||
I'm going to be the cynical one and offer this translation: "Our results are too important to wait for the pesky peer review, so we are dumping a whole ton of money in a fund and giving some elites a breathless first look so our buzz keeps getting jacked up."

The reality that Science is a grind and there are thousands of new results every year discovered by regular humans who use a regular human process to cross-check and review.

Treating every result from the AI like a gift from god is getting tiring.

sgillen 13 hours ago||
These are not run of the mill results from AI, those are surely being posted to arxiv constantly by normal researchers without any fanfare.

These are really big results from AI, if a human had come up with them we would also be making a really big deal out of them too (maybe not as big of a deal, part of the excitement is that this was from AI and more results of this magnitude may soon follow).

pfdietz 9 hours ago||
Solving Kakeya in three dimensions was worth a Fields Medal.
bitwize 11 hours ago|||
Regular human processes, it turns out, have been a bottleneck that AI is now removing. AI is now routinely popping problems that have routinely stumped humans for decades or centuries.
quantumspandex 13 hours ago||
Science doesn't have to be a grind with AI.
dyauspitr 10 hours ago||
What a fucking time to be alive. I love it.
hei-lima 13 hours ago||
Terrible title. I was hoping to see more interesting comments on the story, haha!
casualscience 10 hours ago||
Where are the papers???
Rudybega 13 hours ago||
To give some context:

Kakeya / local smoothing (math): The result would resolve the Kakeya conjecture and Stein’s restriction conjecture across all dimensions together. Mathematicians had been making progress one dimension at a time, so this would settle a whole family of central harmonic analysis problems at once.

ETH is false (computer science): ETH has been used as a computational hardness premise in hundreds of papers, so a disproof would undercut a large body of existing complexity results. It would also change what researchers think is achievable for efficient computation.

QCD existence (physics): It would give a rigorous mathematical foundation to the theory of the strong force, which physicists have used for decades without proving it’s well-defined. It also bears on a Millennium Prize Problem.

emil-lp 13 hours ago||
I would guess ETH has been assumed in thousands of papers. I have several myself.

On the positive side, suddenly there's a whole bunch of open problems!

dekhn 13 hours ago|||
Is there any obvious path from these results to any sort of physics, chemistry, or biology breakthrough? From what I can tell: no (but I lack the physics and chemistry expertise to say anything about the QCD finding).

Turning the question arouhnd: what would be the most impactful thing for OpenAI or Anthropic to do to show large breakthroughs?

stratos123 1 hour ago|||
Anthropic already has a wet biolab for AI research and IIRC got some boring results out, so my guess is that non-boring results are only a few months away. I doubt they'd be related to the achievements in math, except in the sense that all AI-achieved results are related to each other because they all signify an improved capability for general research.
Kotlopou 12 hours ago||||
From the physics, not without more breakthroughs, and even then I can't imagine what that would look like. The particle physics that you can use industrially has long been understood, and the field has long been long stuck because the only things we don't understand are also insanely expensive to experimentally access. Maybe once we move up the Kardashev scale, though.

ETH sounds more like there's a path it could become important? In general, the recent complexity results suggest that a) our intuitions about that world are unreliable, and b) the truth seems to be insanely complicated. I mean, new faster multiplication algorithms in 2026, what the hell? How can we say anything about the full space of all possible algorithms?

dekhn 9 hours ago|||
I wonder if the best statement we can make for future AI discoveries is that, ideally, they will allow us to move up the Kardashev scale faster.

The new faster multiplication algorithms are both galactic, are they not?

It does not seem surprising to me at all that AI can find new galactic algorithms that are not of any direct use (at best they can guide us to find better solutions that are non-galactic).

What would be surprising and interesting is if AI can find a new floating point multiply-add that is 2X faster per operation than the current fastest chip implementations. That would immediately have billion+ dollar implications. The teams who already work on this have excellent approaches and invest enormous amounts into tiny improvements already; there are probably not much low-hanging fruit there (proponents of using AI for chip design improvements have impressive claims, but unclear that any of those really worked out in reality).

redox99 12 hours ago|||
If we had really good understanding of physics, couldn't we find out how to make a room temperature superconductor (or prove it can't exist)?

Or is such understanding reliant in experimentation because there are "hidden constants" we can't figure out with math alone?

teamonkey 11 hours ago||
We already do have a very good understanding of QCD, it’s a very successful model with 70 years of experimental results behind it. This proof may offer new insight but most likely will just be confirming what we already knew.
dekhn 10 hours ago||
This is where I start to get curious.

Why haven't these theories had more impact on materials science? We use DFT and other greatly simplified approaches (with tremendous results) but still I suspect we are massively underperforming in terms of producing materials with useful properties.

hershkumar 9 hours ago||
QCD simulations (like lattice QCD) are extremely expensive (exponential in the number of constituent quarks) and usually things like material properties require bulk physics, in large system sizes. The separation of scale between a theory like QCD and something like a simple metal makes it very difficult to practically do a first principles computation.
demibabs 12 hours ago|||
Solve p = np with an example algorithm maybe?
dekhn 11 hours ago||
Huh? I'm not sure that makes any sense.
jlev1 13 hours ago||
Thanks Claude!
Rudybega 12 hours ago|||
Glad to help (I only really understand the implications of ETH well enough to summarize myself without assistance haha). I figured if I wanted simplified context, others might too.
perching_aix 11 hours ago|||
was it the "bears on" that you caught? :)
paxy 14 hours ago||
Title is no doubt crafted to get ahead of the usual online backlash, but here’s the actual announcement:

> We are announcing three new discoveries in mathematics, computer science, and physics about harmonic analysis, complexity theory, and quantum field theory.

1. Local smoothing and the Kakeya conjecture

2. The Exponential Time Hypothesis is false

3. Existence of quantum chromodynamics and completions of the Standard Model

mattfrommars 9 hours ago||
I asked Claude how will ETH being solved is a major breakthrough for mankind:

“ Honestly, nothing yet. This is a theoretical result, and it doesn't solve a real-world problem today.

*Why it won't change much in practice:* A running time like 2^(n/√log n) is "subexponential" on paper, but for real inputs it's still astronomically slow. For a few hundred variables it's no better than the brute-force methods we already have. Hidden constants in the exponent could also make it worse in practice. Real-world SAT solvers (the CDCL kind) already handle millions of variables on practical problems using heuristics, and this result doesn't replace them.

*Where SAT shows up in everyday life, indirectly:* - Verifying that chips (like the one in your phone) have no design bugs - Scheduling and logistics, like timetables, delivery routes, and airline crews - Software package dependency resolution - Security analysis and cryptography research

*What it could change over time:* - *Research direction:* Many problems were assumed to be hard because ETH says so. If ETH is false, researchers may find faster algorithms for them, and some of those could eventually matter in practice. - *Cryptography:* It doesn't break encryption, since the algorithm is still far too slow. But it could shift how people think about the hardness assumptions behind some security arguments. - *Theory of math and proof:* The Lean verification is also a notable example of AI-assisted, machine-checked mathematics.

So the "big deal" is mainly for computer scientists: a long-held belief about the limits of computation may be wrong. Any benefit to normal people would be long-term and indirect, and only if it leads to practical algorithms.“

pandepratham 6 hours ago||
AI is becoming incredibly skilled at tackling problems that once required extensive computing and complex calculations. That said, it seems the community has concerns about their passion and purpose, as these tasks used to define careers and take significant time. Now, with machines handling it all, the role of scientists and mathematicians feels uncertain. Even great minds are feeling discouraged, raising the question of whether this is truly a win for mankind—and at what cost.
grd_dev 13 hours ago|
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