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Posted by acossta 1 day ago

Genie 4(deepmind.google)
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tedli 10 hours ago|
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CodexOfWeights 5 hours ago||
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apishare_api 15 hours ago||
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Aeveus 23 hours ago||
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grd_dev 18 hours ago||
Looks like we are inching closer to on the fly open world game creation soon. While the updates excite me as a senior data scientist but as a human they all just look scary. Just me?
nfw2 16 hours ago|
"Inching closer", yes. "Soon" seems presumptive. FSD everywhere seemed "soon" 20 years ago.
soren_ai 18 hours ago||
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sehw 10 hours ago||
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cuishunbiao 13 hours ago||
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rvz 1 day ago||
As I said before, World models will become simulation engines of AAA games where there is no need to release the actual game artifact and even if the game exists as a binary artifact, it will never be released and will be available on their hosted cloud back-end, then simulated and streamed back to you.

So, Stadia + World Models = New generation of DRM for games.

MattDaEskimo 23 hours ago||
Why? Why would a non-deterministic engine be better for a game when it can be instead structured and made deterministic and then more effectively distributed to consumer hardware?
SomeonesAccount 23 hours ago|||
It wouldn't be better for players. It would be better for companies because the user no longer owns the computer that runs the game.
phyzix5761 23 hours ago|||
You can still stream a deterministic world to the player.
moralestapia 23 hours ago|||
And a month or so of development time. Pure IP re-selling.

October? Yeah, just release the "Spiderman saves Halloween" prompt.

This is a wet dream for big studios.

verdverm 23 hours ago|||
it's not, it just sounds cooler to say prophetic things like this these days
causal 23 hours ago|||
Game industry is still struggling to find a way to incorporate regular LLMs without suffering catastrophic edge cases. A long way to go before these can do more than fancy tech demo, I think.
paxy 23 hours ago|||
Because it wasn’t bad enough to need a $5000 5090 to play a game, now you’re going to need a full rack of them!
qup 23 hours ago|||
They can try, my household won't be purchasing those.

We'll be riding the huge wave of indie titles that are incoming.

verdverm 23 hours ago||
> We'll be riding the huge wave of indie titles that are incoming.

The problem will be separating the wheat (people with good stories and concepts enabled by Ai) from the chaff (people with no taste slopping out trash with Ai)

qup 20 hours ago|||
Yes, but for me the discovery of treasures is part of the fun.

I also love thrifting and artifact hunting.

BatFastard 23 hours ago|||
Isn't that what streamers are for?

I mean - reviewers!

verdverm 22 hours ago||
streamers and best-in-genre videos have become my primary filter tbh

been checking out the archives lately, nothing recent excites me

perchedonstilts 20 hours ago|||
None of this makes sense. Think of the economics involved here: is it cheaper to run tens/hundreds of thousands of GPU clusters to simulate a unique game world for millions of players, or would it be cheaper to just write the god damn code once, and then host it for download, or to allow them to be streamed?
ActionHank 23 hours ago|||
Because stadia was a real banger right?

Do you have even the slightest idea of the level of expectation that even the most casual gamer has?

This isn’t achieving much beyond prototyping. They’re burning so much money for no reason.

72deluxe 5 hours ago|||
I see comments on here that refer to something someone has said before, for example, "as I said before", or "I said this the other month", as if the entire universe is following a single person's statements. It seems very self-referential and self-consumed.
pixl97 23 hours ago|||
And? Just spin up some open world model and pay for the compute and play your own games?

There are so many options for games now that just sticking with the biggest AAA companies seems like a waste.

verdverm 23 hours ago|||
Stadia is dead, the reason is playing games over the internet sucks, input lag and serious graphics degradation - this is why I cancelled

Ai generated games suck even more, no skill; no taste, there is no TLC put into them

Then there is the economics of it, cost prohibitive to (re)generate a scene and ship that over internet pipes

ZiiS 23 hours ago|||
Stadia is dead because if you have a data-center of GPUs you are using them for AI. It has nothing to do with input lag and graphics degradation.
ActionHank 23 hours ago|||
Oh no my guy, you are misremembering, stadia died a quiet death long before AI.

The latency was no good even on fast internet for even slow games. It is and was pointless.

Matl 23 hours ago||
Stadia was pretty good, be it OnLive was similar quality in like 2010. It even had the best version of Cyberpunk 2077 when that launched. But the model was free version of the service for a limited resolution AND you have to buy games there OR a subscription based option and you still have to buy games there.

That made no sense and wasn't a viable business model.

verdverm 23 hours ago|||
stadia died way beforehand, history is useful

https://www.denofgeek.com/games/why-google-stadia-failed-shu...

ZiiS 23 hours ago||
I am sure the are other typical Google fumbles that would have meant they were not the victor; but I am sure an equivalent service would be mainstream today if AI had not dramatically changed the economics. [also Google bought DeepMind in 2014; 'way beforehand' is and odd way to look at it]
verdverm 23 hours ago||
I disagree, dropping below 60 FPS will be noticed and turn players away, you are not getting that with good input handling even today, it has nothing to do with GPUs and everything to do with networking

> beforehand...

is about the craze, the ChatGPT moment and beyond, when GPUs demand went exponential, not when various types of Ai algorithms were available

ZiiS 22 hours ago||
It is about when Google realized GPUs were about to go exponential; they may have missed some opportunities but they were well ahead of the curve.
verdverm 22 hours ago||
sure... despite all the other people who used it and are saying otherwise, and the fact that google totally fumbled in the Ai race as well as built custom silicon for Ai...

... history is helpful ... google didn't - and still doesn't - understand gamers, same for all the other Ai hucksters, gamers are among the most anti-Ai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Fv1uKTd-w

jfckenfishf 14 hours ago||
I used stadia and it was a great experience, latency wasn't an issue at all.
andoando 22 hours ago||||
Geforce Now is still a thing
Aeveus 23 hours ago|||
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well_ackshually 23 hours ago||
And nobody will play that trash, and the world won't change.

Also, lmao, they're already trying to nickel and dime you and sell you microtransactions that took 5 minutes to make for 10 bucks. If you think they're going to pay the costs for running a world model for every single person, lol.

233mhz 23 hours ago|
Y tho?
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