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Posted by acossta 19 hours ago

Genie 4(deepmind.google)
913 points | 526 commentspage 6
ytxm 19 hours ago|
Surprised that "do you really think we're going to make it?" scene made the cut of the first video, her expression and tone is totally out of sync with the scene and demonstrates the problem with almost every AI gen video I've come across when it comes to capturing humanity.

The painting->interactive scene looks astonishing though

dogleash 17 hours ago||
>audio-like music

My favorite kind of music.

gcanyon 17 hours ago||
A nit, but given that this is from a major corporation, and LLMs are supposed to be em-dash-happy, it's surprising (disappointing?) that the announcement uses:

> audio-like music

That's a hyphen. What's "audio-like music" -- music that is almost sound but not quite? Music made from raw audio? :-)

istjohn 17 hours ago||
Yeah, I think that sentence was supposed to be: Genie 4 is natively multimodal, enabling audio--like music, ambient noises, and interactive dialogue--to be simultaneously generated with the world.
_heimdall 17 hours ago|||
That's a proper use of a hyphen though, an emdash would be wrong.
gcanyon 17 hours ago|||
But it's not, unless you know what "audio-like music" is?
smallerize 17 hours ago|||
I don't think so, and in fact an em dash would be much less confusing.

audio, e.g. music

audio — like music

_heimdall 16 hours ago|||
Oh maybe I did just misread the intent of the sentence? I read it as "something like audio" but yeah that is confusing since that would be all music.
pixelesque 17 hours ago||||
That's a suffix word though, not a pause.

Hyphens should be used to link compound/suffix words, not em dashes.

gcanyon 17 hours ago||
Agreed that hyphens should be used to indicate compound words, but you're saying that "audio-like" is an intended compound word? Then it's an adjective, modifying "music"? What would that mean?
_heimdall 16 hours ago|||
That was my initial reading and I may have just misread it as them intending it to be compound rather than an aside modifier.
pixelesque 17 hours ago|||
Well okay, not a "compound" per se, but it's a prefix/suffix, which similarly should use hyphens.
IanCal 16 hours ago|||
I think the disagreement here is not whether that’s how you should use hyphens but whether that’s what was intended at all. The term audio-like music makes no sense.
LordDragonfang 16 hours ago|||
I think you're fundamentally missing the point being made here.

Yes, "-like" is commonly used as a suffix, in which case a hyphen is correct. But describing music as "audio-like" is clearly nonsense (music isn't "like" audio, it is audio), so that's not the sense in which it's being used here.

For clarity, the full sentence is:

> Genie 4 is natively multimodal, enabling audio-like music, ambient noises, and interactive dialogue to be simultaneously generated with the world.

oblio 15 hours ago|||
Why does everyone hate colons?

audio: music, ...

gcanyon 14 hours ago||
No one ever got em-dash cancer…
manbash 17 hours ago||
> Genie 4 is natively multimodal, enabling audio-like music, ambient noises, and interactive dialogue to be simultaneously generated with the world.

Looks like a hiccup, which created an odd and ambiguous sentence.

trollbridge 16 hours ago||
There used to be editors who would read press releases to catch this.
alphabetting 18 hours ago||
The playable element is cool PR but the news is that endless synthetic training data for embodied AI models is basically here or close.
ckocagil 18 hours ago|
And their most impactful application will be training smaller models for military drones to detect, target and kill humans. sigh...

Every time I'm about to be excited about AI the cynic in me slaps me back to reality. I imagine the endless possibilities of AI for disabled people, then realize that it's going to leave millions of people disabled instead.

phainopepla2 18 hours ago||
It will probably do both
jackb4040 18 hours ago||
It's hard for me to understand Google's redefinition of "world models" (basically: a txt2videogame modality for LLMs) as anything other than an attempt to bury Yann Lecun's definition of "world models", which includes an implicit bear case against LLMs and thus Google's stock price.
aryehof 4 hours ago|
> … hard for me to understand Google's redefinition of "world models"

I’ve also wondered what they mean by “world model”, whereas I interpret them as being about predicting outcomes - something an LLM cannot reliably do.

Is this new model an LLM or a predictive outcome model (as you say a la Yann Lecun), or some hybrid?

Sol- 19 hours ago||
Neuralink integration and I'm out of here.
mike_hearn 18 hours ago||
Google aren't the only ones with this tech. You can try out a 24/7 rolling set of video feeds for yourself at https://fal.live

An LLM generates four alternative prompts for what could happen next and there's a real time vote running for each option. It's trippy, like watching someone's dream.

zardo 19 hours ago||
Showing off an anglo-bias with the Japanese train station in the 1980s, with a man speaking english.
reverseblade2 18 hours ago||
Infinite Tsukuyomi is coming soon…
smlacy 14 hours ago|
Can someone ELI5 how this "Leads to AGI"? I can kind of understand some sort of "theory of mind" going on here, but how would having a complex world model enable, say, an AGI that could file my taxes for me?
orangebread 14 hours ago|
AGI is a loaded phrase these days. But if we focus on how it will improve the quality of training data for LLMs, I can prob talk about that.

Right now LLMs only have text, images, and videos to train from. Anything it understands about physics is from an abstract level. It's like learning how to calculate throwing a baseball before you've ever even thrown a baseball. Imagine having to learn force = mass x acceleration before you've even picked up a ball.

What this world generation Google is doing appears to be something Nvidia has spoken about too. Letting LLMs/AI learn from a world physics simulation. Meaning LLMs having the opportunity to "experience" physics, the same way you intuitively know how to throw a ball after attempting a few times yourself.

If an LLM can better understand how our real world works the quality of its output improves -- theoretically.

As far as your taxes go, you can create an intelligent workflow right now to do that for you. Don't need AGI for that.

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