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Posted by beex 17 hours ago

New 14‑inch MacBook Pro with M6(www.apple.com)
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macrolab 7 hours ago|
I have a 14 inch M1 MBP running fine up to this day. 16G RAM, 1T SSD. I don't know if I ever will need to replace it.
y1n0 4 hours ago|
You will if you use macos and want to stay supported. On the other hand, being an M1 puts you squarely in Asahi supported territory.
yoz-y 6 hours ago||
I am due to an upgrade (still using the 2019 intel). However I am torn between a M5 Pro with 48 Gigs of ram or waiting for M6 pro. I’d really like to run local models for once.
pazimzadeh 6 hours ago|
won't be an M6 pro, they are saving the ram and other components for the M7 series
ritzaco 17 hours ago||
> Phenomenal battery life: In addition to the huge leap in performance, battery life gets up to 14 additional hours for Intel-based upgraders

the m2/m3 announcements were already kind of cringe to keep saying 'HEY IT'S BETTER THAN INTEL' but at this point it's just embarrassing?

Grombobulous 16 hours ago||
Fun fact: the laptop in this size/performance class with the best battery life is a Windows Intel Core Ultra Series 3 laptop, not a MacBook Pro!

So Apple is now comparing against computers they were selling 7-8 years ago rather than what Intel is delivering now.

zuhsetaqi 13 hours ago|||
> Fun fact: the laptop in this size/performance class with the best battery life is a Windows Intel Core Ultra Series 3 laptop, not a MacBook Pro!

Source for that fun fact?

cromka 9 hours ago||
I think they refer to low-tier Wildcat which, indeed, is more efficient than Apple's CPU in Neo, which they typically get compared against.
BugsJustFindMe 14 hours ago||||
> Apple is now comparing against computers they were selling 7-8 years ago

Apple didn't fully stop selling Intel macs until June 2023. And they compare against the most recent previous model too.

asimovDev 1 hour ago||
in 2023 they were only selling desktop Intel Macs. I am pretty sure by 2021 they weren't selling Intel laptops unless maybe refurbished
desolate_muffin 10 hours ago||||
last time I checked, every Windows laptop had the absolutely massive caveat that it needed to throttle performance by a ton to have a low enough TDP to compete on battery life. You just cannot match the efficiency of ARM Apple chips with an x86 chip.
sandoze 15 hours ago|||
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wtallis 16 hours ago|||
There's no happy medium here that would satisfy everybody: when they make marketing claims about improvements relative to products from several years ago, they get criticized for not focusing on the improvements relative to last gen (even if those comparisons are also somewhere in the announcement). When they focus on the most recent generations, people complain that it doesn't make sense to upgrade every year.

Just accept that even if you aren't still using an Intel MacBook Pro, the comparison is still relevant to some part of their target market.

They only just dropped support for Intel Macs from this fall's operating system release (but are still doing security patches for the releases that Intel Macs can run). A year from now, it actually will be fairly reasonable to expect them to give up marketing to the holdouts.

anamexis 16 hours ago|||
I would guess there's still quite a lot of people on Intel Macs out there (they were sold 5 years ago), so it is still very much worth it for Apple to market to them.
thibaut_barrere 16 hours ago|||
More people than you think (outside tech) are using Intel Macs at the moment (family computers etc).
jwilcoxson 16 hours ago||
Exactly. A late model Intel Mac is still a perfectly cromulent computer in 2026.
Razengan 16 hours ago||
"cromulent" sounds like such a disgusting word that isn't.

probably because of its adjacency to "corpulent" lol

anamexis 16 hours ago||
The word "cromulent" was coined by the TV show The Simpsons in a gag.

> Mrs. Krabappel: "Embiggens"? I never heard that word before I moved to Springfield.

> Ms. Hoover: I don't know why. It's a perfectly cromulent word.

But now it has made it into the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

booty 13 hours ago|||
I think it makes sense. Do you think most potential buyers are coming from last year's model, or from laptops that are more like 3-5 years old?

As long as they're clear about the comparisons they're making ("X% more battery life than Y" as opposed to simply ("X% more battery life") I'm good with it.

zaphar 16 hours ago|||
Why? Apple devices have the best battery life in the market right now to my knowledge. It's an important part of the evaluation for a laptop which is the opposite of cringe.
Grombobulous 16 hours ago|||
Actually, they don’t! Intel Core Ultra Series 3 beats Apple laptops as of the M5 on battery life.

IIRC the Framework 13 Pro beats the MacBook Pro at both video streaming tests and office productivity with 300 bits brightness tests. (Framework live-streamed the video playback test, and the office provided productivity tests I referred to were done by Just Josh Tech)

Perhaps the M6 has leapfrogged but that remains to be seen.

dmitrygr 15 hours ago|||
Neither of those have comparable perf
Grombobulous 11 hours ago|||
They do, please look up reviews of Panther Lake 338H/358H. Example: Lenovo Thinkpad X9 15p Aura Edition
dmitrygr 11 hours ago||
I did. I am seeing single core geekbench scores of 2700 compared to my MacBook Air at 3500. This, for a laptop that is thicker and heavier than my air.
asadotzler 8 hours ago||
why tack on the goalpost moving? And geekbench single core isn't the only measure of performance.
dmitrygr 8 hours ago||
in my original post, i said "perf", i am not sure what you imagined, but i am not moving anything, geekbench single core score is a perfectly reasonable thing to measure under the name "perf"
porridgeraisin 16 hours ago||||
In usual developer type tasks, among my friend group what I hear is that panther lake laptops are competitive with M4 laptops. But, M4s do that with a 55Wh battery, whereas most panther lake laptops come with a 70Wh battery. So if you're discussing chip performance per watt then it's probably an edge to apple silicon.
Grombobulous 16 hours ago||
72.4 Wh is the size of the M4 MacBook Pro battery, about the same size as the Framework 13 Pro.

Intel and now Qualcomm are really not far off on performance per watt. Mostly Apple maintains an advantage on single core performance.

The Panther Lake integrated GPU in the X7/X9 SKI is actually faster than the one you get in the base M5.

porridgeraisin 16 hours ago||
You're right. I think I remember those numbers from an Air vs 3xxH comparison.
jwilcoxson 16 hours ago|||
Competition is a beautiful thing.
throwitaway222 16 hours ago||||
I recall seeing some crazy stats like 41+ hours maybe on a snapdragon processor w/windows. I imagine your screen brightness would have to be like 99% dark and not playing videos is my guess.
Guillaume86 16 hours ago|||
That's not what the marketing is saying, they keep comparing to their own super old intel models.
ErneX 16 hours ago||
They want those users to upgrade, I don’t see the problem.
khazhoux 12 hours ago||
I always max out whenever I upgrade my MacBook Pro.

Last time, in 2024, it cost me $6K

Today, it’s $10K

Yowza

bartvk 1 hour ago|
I've always done the opposite; getting the base model (maybe bump 1 spec), but then just stay current.
vintagedave 15 hours ago||
Also here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50258521
BugsJustFindMe 17 hours ago||
dupe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50258521
IronWolve 13 hours ago||
Still using my 8gig m1 to make mac builds, its slow, but works fine. Keep thinking about upgrading, but max 32gigs ram, if I can hold out for 2 years, and maybe have 64/128gig as options, and cheaper.
bdcravens 12 hours ago|
In your shoes, I'd just get whatever Pro processor is available at that time. (Knowing that new processors were coming, I happily bought an M5 Pro machine last month)
rumblefrog 11 hours ago||
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50258521
thinkling 15 hours ago||
32GB Unified RAM max. Is that really the machine I want for running local LLMs?
Tagbert 14 hours ago||
This M6 is the base Pro model. You probably want the M5 pro/max for your LLMs.
asadotzler 8 hours ago||
It's called Pro, but it's hardly Pro, more like a MacBook with a good fan.
alluro2 12 hours ago|||
Not really - it seems that M7 will come out in Q1 27 and be targeted at that use-case more specifically.
skohan 12 hours ago||
Base M7 probably will still have pretty low memory bandwidth for serious AI workflows. M7 max/ultra might be pretty interesting though.
IOT_Apprentice 15 hours ago||
Nope.
jon128 13 hours ago|
I would pay 2x or even 3x for this with working Asahi Linux patches provided in source code form on Apple's site.
wyre 11 hours ago||
Asahi supports up to the M3 line. Linux 7.4 supports M4 so surely Asahi will support it soon.

What is it about this MBP that makes it so much more preferable to an MBP with M3 Pro/Max?

jon128 11 hours ago||
I want the newest one and I want to run Gentoo Linux on it with working Asahi patches for all aspects of the hardware. I want it enough I'm willing to pay for it. I'll pay 3x Apple's current sticker price.

But Apple will never sell that to me, as far as I can guess. Apple is not a good person.

natnatenathan 8 hours ago|||
And I want a pony
slater 8 hours ago|||
> Apple is not a good person

It's a company.

jon128 27 minutes ago||

  15 U.S. Code § 7 - “Person” or “persons” defined 

  The word “person”, or “persons”, wherever used in sections 1 to 7 of this title shall be deemed to include corporations

  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/7
tonymet 12 hours ago||
doubt
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