Note that the benchmarks seem to be cherrypicked. For Argon they were also cherrypicked, but differently, when Argon released. For the new benchmarks (cherrypicked for Carbon), Argon is now behind GPT-6 Astra in most of these benchmarks, even though Argon was ahead of Astra in the benchmarks cherrypicked for Argon. So apparently they couldn't find benchmarks in which both Carbon and Argon are overall ahead of Astra.

My general impression of all Google models I've tried so far is a general "goody two shoes" feeling which I find very, very frustrating.

I'm going to experiment with this one (assuming they ever get around to actually releasing it), and I'm really hoping the lame cultural aftertaste is gone.

Great to see Google reclaim the frontier, however, as usual with most Google launches, an announcement for a product that no one can actually try outside of a tiny circle of users.

This feels like a pretty big deal. Quite a few people sleeping on argon because it doesn't come via a subscription, but it's noticeably better than pretty much everything in my own weird game based benchmark (https://botbowlbench.com/)

Is this the best and the biggest model from Google now? I have a hard time understanding this stuff with all the various tiers and “best” terminology use within tiers.

nah

Now we know why AA updated their benchmarking. Bet they weren’t #1 before the change…

I wonder if this is finally a frontier model or just dogshit(i.e. behind open models) like all the past 3 models they released so far.

i dont know how to contribute to this platform.

will this again will be one of those mediocre two-prompt models like Nitrogen, or whatever it was called?