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Posted by etothet 5 hours ago

MacBook Pro with PROLED XDR Display and Touch(www.apple.com)
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/10/apple-unveils-groundb...
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thehamkercat 5 hours ago|
For local LLM people:

(for comparison, M4 pro has 273 GB/s and M1 pro has 200GB/s and M1 max has 400GB/s)

M5 Pro (20-core GPU): 307 GB/s memory bandwidth (supports 24 GB, 48 GB, 64 GB).

M5 Max (32-core GPU): 460 GB/s memory bandwidth. (36 GB)

M5 Max (40-core GPU): 614 GB/s memory bandwidth (supports 48 GB, 64 GB, 128 GB)

abhikul0 5 hours ago||
IMO getting a studio for LLMs is a wiser choice since it doesn't heat up and there are no batteries to degrade.

For an M5 max top bin with 128GB Ram:

- mac studio: $5,899.00 (with 2TB ssd bump to match the default macbook sku)

- macbook 16: $7,399.00

Portability gets a hit but I feel you can have a thin client and let the studio do the heavy lifting back at your home/studio(heh).

f6v 4 hours ago|||
I have a limited understanding of local LLMs, but from what I gather 128GB is not enough to match DeepSeek v4 Flash or GPT 6.1 Luna. And these models are so cheap right now. What's the use case besides having your data locally?
booty 3 hours ago|||
"Having your data locally" is definitely the biggest one.

- The general consensus seems to be that the frontier models are kind of (understandably) "benchmaxxed" towards coding benchmarks and have suffered in some other areas like writing, art, etc. Lot of tweaked/specialized models on huggingface

- Getting around the censorship in commercial models

- While local models don't match frontier coding agents, you can run them for multiple 24/7 with a long running goal (The fans in Macs are presumably not built to run 24/7, but this can be mitigated to a considerable extent IME by simply pointing a desktop fan at it, and you can throttle things in software. On the discrete GPU side of things, you can usually get big power savings without much performance impact by throttling the GPU clock; things are usually bottlenecked on memory)

- Even small 27B/35B models are getting darn good, definitely more than powerful enough for classification etc... you don't need 128GB to run them

- Right now, providers like OpenAI are running at huge losses. At some point, they are going to need to turn a profit, at which point they may get significantly more expensive, and "hosting your own" may make more economic sense than it does today -- and be a valuable professional skill, even.

- Even more speculative: perhaps the future for many applications is training and running your own hyper-specialized models. Right now, training your own is nowhere near cost effective on self-hosted hardware vs. renting GPUs

Note: whether any of these use cases are "worth it" is up to the individual. I'm not trying to sell anybody on the idea. I don't personally do much local LLM stuff at the moment, but it's attractive and I've been close to pulling the trigger...

f6v 3 hours ago||
I'm just trying to understand what the particular uses people have for them.

My raw data alone is terabytes, and it takes hundreds of GB sometimes to run very simple analyses. So there's no way I can have a local AI orchestrating the analyses locally.

But I realize some people have different kinds of data. So I'm interested to hear how exactly people use local models.

The point where it'd make sense for me is if someone makes a compact machine with 512 of unified memory in a couple of years and it costs less than a down payment for a house...

booty 3 hours ago||
https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLM/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLlama/ are pretty active.

It's more "software & gear discussion" than "use cases", admittedly, I think because the people looking for software/gear discussion already have use cases in mind that they're trying to achieve.

abhikul0 4 hours ago||||
While personally I’m not using them for work, just tinkering, 128GB can run qwen 3.8 flash next at q4(~111GB gguf). That model seems to be quite capable from what I’ve read.

It’s quite evident that the api models can and have been nerfed at the provider’s discretion, then there’s the abliteration aspect too(api models refusing what they consider “harmful”) which makes the case for local.

hypersoar 4 hours ago||||
Privacy, mainly. I don't see how it would make economic sense. $10k will buy an awful lot of GLM-5.3 tokens.
timedude 3 hours ago|||
Being able to run your own uncensored model the way you want to.
nsbk 4 hours ago|||
I was on the market for a 128Gb M5 Max and went with the Studio + an Air for about the same money
theonlymikeever 53 minutes ago||
which configs did you wind up going with on the Studio + Air, I'm in a similar boat. Grabbed a 13" 24GB M5 air before the price hike and now wrestling between a M5 Max studio or an overpriced mini.
vessenes 4 hours ago|||
These are right at the edge of desirable for me right now -- but it's hard to pull the trigger. I'm imagining an M7 Pro with 480 GB/s and therefore an M7 Max 850-900 GB/s. And significantly better GPU speeds as well. If I knew I could get the M7 Max Q2 of next year, especially at 192GB of RAM, I'd wait.

But then you have to compare to buying a GB200, sticking it in a closet and sharing it out in a workgroup and having a lower specced laptop. Decisions..

stetrain 4 hours ago|||
Notably these chips came out back in March of this year. Today's changes are in the display and form factor but maintaining the same CPU, GPU, and memory specs.

Rumor is that Apple is skipping the M6 Pro and Max chips this year in favor of releasing the M7 Pro and Max sometime next year.

alasano 5 hours ago||
What's are the odds that the M7 Max goes above 128GB? (Presuming the rumors about Apple skipping the M6 Pro/Max are true)
benoau 4 hours ago|||
At this point it's pretty certain they've skipped M6 Pro/Max or they'd be a flagship feature of today's laptop.

The odds of > 128GB are very good, AMD have already bumped the Strix Halo to 192GB of RAM and both AMD and Nvidia should have successors to their offerings in 2028 that will compete with the M7 Pro and Max. Both AMD and Nvidia will be using TSMC N2 too so the competition will be ramping up.

elxr 3 hours ago|||
Very high
int32_64 5 hours ago||
Pro tip always get the silver macbooks because they wear out considerably better. On the black ones the paint near the charger ends up looking terrible and any dents/nicks/scratches look bad.
adrianN 5 hours ago||
I like scratches on my machines, it gives them character.
buildbot 5 hours ago||
Yeah the “brassing” is really cool
Maxion 5 hours ago||
FWIW a brass macbook would be pretty dope
buildbot 5 hours ago|||
Given $$$$ that might actually be reasonably possible to do if you can get a good enough model of the chassis.
ch_sm 5 hours ago|||
Very Steampunk.
brailsafe 5 hours ago|||
I wish there was a red or green one. Sick of only having two options.
smith7018 5 hours ago||
Annoys me to no end that fun colors are limited to the "cheap" lines like the Neo, Air, and Duo while Pros are boring. If I'm spending $4k on a laptop then why can't I get it in green? It genuinely makes no sense.
redwall_hp 9 minutes ago||
But you can also get a "Pro" phone in safety orange for some reason. It's not even consistent.
dbbk 5 hours ago|||
Life is too short
dmitrygr 5 hours ago|||
the champagne color for airs looks really nice when worn too, but i mirror your sentiments on black - it does not age well
wpm 5 hours ago|||
Champagne/Starlight is definitely the way to go when available. Starlight especially, it's mostly silver but sometimes the light catches it just right to give it this sort of iridescent gradient to a light gold.

I liked the old Gold they used in the mid 2010s too.

elxr 3 hours ago|||
It's their best mac color tied with the imac yellow. The imac green and purple is great too and would look perfect on a macbook air/pro.

Black is 100% the least appealing.

Toslink 34 minutes ago|||
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Bud 5 hours ago||
Except there is no "paint". Neither are there any "black ones"; space grey isn't very close to black, and I've seen no wear issues of any kind on any of the Macs I support.
ndiddy 5 hours ago||
It's interesting that they've decided to release a new high-end model this year even though they aren't coming out with new high-end M6 chips. Apparently they have decided to not make Pro/Max versions of the M6 in favor of accelerating development of the M7 series, which will have improved support for on-device AI. https://www.macrumors.com/2026/06/25/2027-macs-m7-chips/
otterley 5 hours ago||
Historically speaking, the Pro/Max versions of the chips have become available at around the same time the next-generation base chip does. So, M4 Pro/Max shipped when M5 shipped, M5 Pro/Max shipped when M6 shipped, and so forth.
jdprgm 3 hours ago|||
Yeah they have done this for awhile now. It is weird to have your cheapest base model option outperform your MUCH more expensive configs on single core perf though.
otterley 3 hours ago||
The more you learn about CPU design and the tradeoffs involved across different performance dimensions, the less surprised you become over time. :-)
ndiddy 5 hours ago|||
The Macbook Pro with M5 Pro/Max came out in March, while the Macbook Pro with M6 came out yesterday.
sgarman 4 hours ago||
ONLY on the 14", no M6 MAX etc.
ajaimk 5 hours ago||
They’ve done it before: first retina model has the same cpu and GPU as the previous gen
jdprgm 3 hours ago||
A laptop starting at almost 3 grand with only 24gb ram is a tragedy, the RAMpocalypse is brutal.

Basically $400 premium for a screen upgrade. I'm sure the screen is brilliant but mini LED is very much not bad. It's a real bummer that we seem to be entering an era where each year with tech it leans more towards a new product offering that is more but for more money versus getting more for our dollar consistently.

OLED feels pretty established at this point... could they really not have pulled off just making that the default screen on pro's or is this just a price gouge for a premium feature.

npunt 2 hours ago||
These are considerably lighter as well. 3.5lb -> 3lb and 4.7lb -> 4lb are a meaningful difference. That's worth $$ too
carlosjobim 40 minutes ago||
Any person or business actually needing 24gb of RAM in a Mac is doing cutting edge computing work and is making 3 grand of revenue at least per day.
redwall_hp 5 minutes ago|||
Da Vinci Resolve recommends 16GB for video editing and 32GB if you're doing Fusion compositions. Basic video stuff.

Blender definitely benefits from more RAM. The M-series Macs are good for doing renders. If you're a hobbyist or independent creator, you're more likely to be rendering on your laptop than having a fancy render farm. (That's exactly how the movie Flow was done.)

Musicians know software instruments can eat into RAM, and streaming things like sample-based instruments off of disc is non viable for real time audio. Real world use can have very large numbers of tracks with many software instruments and VST chains. Ableton is a minimum of 8GB for the DAW, and things like Kontakt will multiply that fast.

And people usually have Chrome, chat apps and other things open while they work.

bigyabai 16 minutes ago||||
God, I wish. My 16gb Mac swapped constantly doing Docker rebuilds, and I was just an SRE muppet making well under $300/day.
Toslink 32 minutes ago|||
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alberth 3 hours ago||
I don’t understand Apple’s market positioning here.

Apple has always positioned the Pro as having the best display in a laptop. Now that’s no longer true.

Are we really moving to 3 tier of laptop displays: Air, Pro, and Pro with ProLED XDR?

That seems unnecessarily confusing for consumers.

“Pro” used to mean you were getting Apple’s best hardware, designed for "professionals".

Now “Pro” doesn't mean that anymore.

npunt 2 hours ago||
It seems to me like a transition year. Apple occasionally has these where the lineup doesn't make sense until they phase out the old and bring in the new. iPads in 2016, iMacs in 2021, iPads in 2022, Macbooks in 2011, etc.

It's really hard to maintain a perfectly positioned product lineup while managing underlying shifts in technologies. It's usually the availability and price of new components that cause this, along with needing to iron out issues before bringing a technology fully mainstream. Here the touchscreen is new, the hinge is new, and the screen tech is new to the platform. You can't always just drop something that on the mass market.

tristanj 3 hours ago|||
Coming from the company that simultaneously offered six(!) different models of iPad at once, this is not unsurprising at all. From 2022 to 2024, Apple offered: Two models of iPad, an iPad mini, an iPad Air, and two models of iPad Pro (11 and 13 inch).

For Apple, product & hardware come first, marketing and positioning is secondary.

dagmx 3 hours ago|||
Your assertion hasn’t been true for a while.

You have the MacBook Pro with three tiers of SoCs, each with binning options.

There was already an option for screen coatings and now an option for a new screen type.

That’s not to mention storage and RAM choices.

Its still the MacBook with HDR display and active cooling and more inputs. I’m not sure why options are an issue

alberth 2 hours ago||
You're talking about the number of CPUs, I'm talking customer segments.

Up until today, Apple's positioning was:

* Consumer = Air (light workloads, no pro use cases like video where you need best display)

* Professional = Pro (heavy workloads, need best display for color correctness)

After today, it's what exactly? Is it:

* Consumer = Air

* Business = Pro ???

* Professional = Pro with PROLED XDR

npunt 2 hours ago|||
Macbook Pros have had at least two segments in them for a very long time: the base level smallest pro and the 'real' MBP.

The base level has fewer ports / less beefy cpu / less features; right now the 14" M6, but previously dual core, two thunderbolt 13" intel MBPs without touchbar. These are popular with corporate fleets.

The 'real' MBPs have all the ports / beefy cpu / best features / optional bigger screens.

Apple likes its market segmentation but it's not precious about it in the face of big technology shifts. If there's hardware they love and want, they'll try to ship it and sort out the segmentation after.

dagmx 1 hour ago|||
Why does the screen change anything more than a processor does?

I don’t think you’re making a compelling argument here. Arguably a processor is more relevant to a wider range of professionals than a screen is.

robotresearcher 3 hours ago|||
It's been a while since Jobs' nice simple quad chart. I miss the elegance of that.
dagmx 3 hours ago||
But those quadrants still had options for upgrades. I think people vastly misunderstand that chart. It was about reducing product lines down because the Apple of the 90s had too many models that all varied very subtly.

Or are you forgetting that you could choose display types on the old PowerBooks and MacBooks , or choose drive options for a premium etc?

There’s nobody confusing the Pro for the Air or the Neo.

Nobody is confusing the iPad base, air and pro. They’re all strongly segmented.

npunt 2 hours ago|||
Yeah quadrants are just a first level sorting mechanism to get people in the door and focused on something. The real genius of Apple's segmentation is that there's always a next step up just $100-300 away. So you might start in the consumer side, but then walk your way up to pro because your consumer laptop is now optioned out enough to be within spitting distance, so may as well make the jump.
afgrant 3 hours ago|||
Where are they lacking?
VCFundedGenYer 3 hours ago||
Explain further what you mean. The displays are still best in class. What metrics do you have suggesting otherwise?
Udo_Schmitz 1 hour ago||
https://youtu.be/OdlEZWSq0zM?t=3383
lbreakjai 5 hours ago||
I had to double check when I saw the "piano keyboard" demo picture. I assumed I was on a parody website. How the mighty have fallen ...
nightc1tyrogue 4 hours ago||
1. Improved thermal system

2. Even better speakers

3. Thinner and lighter while retaining the 100 Wh battery

4. No more notch

Seems like a solid all-around update to be. Other than cellular, I can't possibly imagine what more people could want.

teovall 2 hours ago||
I don't know why there's all this talk about putting cellular in MacBooks. Tethering between macOS and iPhone is practically seamless and even to Android it's not difficult. Where are people going with their laptop and not their phone?
seunosewa 13 minutes ago||
Tethering uses up the phone's battery when you're not even using it. And you're still going to use it.
devindotcom 4 hours ago|||
replacing the notch with a hole punch isn't much of an improvement for me anyway. it still kills the top quarter inch of the display for non-letterboxed movies, games etc. I'm tempted to replace my Air with a Neo just to have a non-punctured screen.
kec 3 hours ago||
Mac displays are 16:10, you're getting letterboxing for movies no matter what you do, with or without a notch or hole punch.
mvkel 2 hours ago||
we're back to celebrating the pursuit of thinner and lighter again? Things really have fallen off.
npunt 2 hours ago||
It's a tick tock cycle between weight and power, always will be
miguel-muniz 4 hours ago||
For work I have a Windows laptop with a touch screen and these were the only times I have wanted to use it:

1. The trackpad on it is so god awful that using any sort of multi finger gesture is a non-starter. In this case the touch screen works significantly better.

2. I wanted to draw in a whiteboarding tool. Drawing with my finger is not ideal so I tried a passive stylus. Drawing with a passive rubber-tipped stylus leaves a lot to be desired. I would much rather use an active stylus or a pen display for artists if I could.

Apple is known for the best trackpads. They have set the bar high and they have consistently met that bar for over a decade. I don't need a touch screen for gestures when their trackpad feels just as good. To my next point, there is no pen support on this screen.

Given this, I feel the touch screen is going to be seen just like the touch bar, a pretty feature that receives some good niche support, but ultimately does not align with how the majority of users use a laptop. I just hope there's an option to turn off the touch screen when they inevitably start shifting this display down to the base model.

boringg 4 hours ago|
"The trackpad on it is so god awful that using any sort of multi finger gesture is a non-starter. In this case the touch screen works significantly better."

probably the only reason -- and this is mitigated with a mouse.

Wazzymandias 2 hours ago|
Apple used to delay and deliver their own brand or interpretation of technology with meaningful differences

Nowadays it feels like a gilded copy of existing tech that also failed to find PMF

Moreover they lost sight of excellent UX, each new OS update adds more bloatware and needless "features" while the calendar app weeps in the corner and slow performance and bugs plague the system

i hope there's a linux analog to pro display xdr at which point i can jump ship

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