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Posted by n_plus_1_acc 2 hours ago

Cuba is skipping its November 1, 2026 clock change and staying on DST until 2027(www.timeanddate.com)
47 points | 78 commentspage 2
phgn 1 hour ago|
Nice! I don't really care if we end up on daylight savings or not, just stop this time change madness finally please!
Boltgolt 1 hour ago||
If you read the article it's the worst of both worlds: Keep clock time the same but start work and school 30 minutes later?
genxy 1 hour ago|||
Shouldn't we just get up when the sun comes up? And if you can't see the sun, everyone can stay home.
ssl-3 1 hour ago|||
This is the only reasonable and measured take.

(Unfortunately, it always gets derailed by highly-polarized discussions about whether to stay on DST forever or get rid of it forever. They'll be showing up here again soon enough.)

oddIdentities 1 hour ago||
It is a reasonable take but it is not the _only_ one - I think it is arguably more reasonable to transition away from DST to ordinary "best TZ granularity approximation to zenith-occurs-at-noon" time once, and then stay (and manage) that time over the millenia to come.
ssl-3 1 hour ago||
I like this idea. I like it quite a lot.

But can we... uh... can we keep that as some kind of tertiary issue to solve later after we successfully stop screwing up the clocks twice every year? We don't really need to build a singular omnibus clock overhaul that will most assuredly never come to fruition, do we? :)

mhd 1 hour ago||
Swatch Beat time.
tomkarho 1 hour ago||
Good for them. Hope that shames the rest of the world (looking at you EU) to action too.
timonoko 1 hour ago||
I have totally solved all issues. I have additional pointer on my watchface for the true position of the sun. https://photos.app.goo.gl/M95bW4XWR2NDUup46
boonzeet 1 hour ago||
40 odd lines just for handling Cuba alone, amazing
murderfs 1 hour ago|
The diff is 23 lines long, the vast majority of which is documentation: https://github.com/eggert/tz/commit/5b5b39dae16f787740b8c0d4...
boonzeet 21 minutes ago||
If you expand the file, there are 43 cases for Cuba over the history covered. Each case is denoted by a line in the yaml file, e.g.

Rule Cuba 1969 1977 - Apr lastSun 0:00 1:00 D

Rule Cuba 1969 1971 - Oct lastSun 0:00 0 S

Rule Cuba 1972 1974 - Oct 8 0:00 0 S

Rule Cuba 1975 1977 - Oct lastSun 0:00 0 S

Rule Cuba 1978 only - May 7 0:00 1:00 D

aussieguy1234 1 hour ago||
This makes sense given all of the power outages largely caused by U.S. sanctions. You would in this scenario want to have more daylight extending into the night time hours.
throwaway27448 1 hour ago||
I don't understand the obsession with keeping the perfectly vertical sun at noon given we all work from dark to dark under winter time. What would actually help us experience daylight would NOT be moving the clocks or moving work an hour earlier or a few hours later
OsrsNeedsf2P 2 hours ago||
manually rolled datetime library screams
xnorswap 1 hour ago|
They're all over it before we hear about it:

3 days ago: https://github.com/eggert/tz/commit/5b5b39dae16f787740b8c0d4...

It's not even the latest change to the library!

thendrill 1 hour ago||
So... Cuba is the voice of reason?

Yehh Europe is loosing its mind..

I belive this whole clock fliopity flip twice a year is a huge contributing factor to people's "unbalance", and worsening mental state... Especially the northern parts....

We humans are creatures of habit... Mess with the circadian rhythm of en entire population and expect no adverse effect.... Mhm checks out.

Boltgolt 1 hour ago||
Calling canceling a time change mere days before it was going to happen "the voice of reason" is rich
lloeki 1 hour ago||
"Days" is plenty of time, IIRC some tz changes happened hours before they had to come into effect!
input_sh 1 hour ago|||
Most of the world is the voice of reason actually.

This is a very European / North American problem for some reason. There are some exceptions, but in general Asia, Africa and South America don't do this.

gonzus 32 minutes ago||
If you mean "changing time in summer", Chile has been doing this for a while, and I think other countries in South America do to.

If you mean "changing the rules a few hours / days before they should be applied", Chile (again) did this a few years / decades ago, and it wreaked havoc: all scheduled meetings were off by one or two hours, you could not rely on your calendar, etc.

Plenty of stupidity going around in Chile / South America, rest assured.

marliechiller 1 hour ago|||
I remember reading somewhere that we see an increased incidence of heart related ailments around the clock change, hypothesized due to this change in sleep patterns.
sschueller 1 hour ago|||
Switzerland never wanted it: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/daylight-saving-time-wh...
paganel 1 hour ago|||
> a huge contributing factor to people's "unbalance", and worsening mental state.

This is surely an exaggeration.

thendrill 56 minutes ago||
https://clin.au.dk/display/artikel/the-transition-from-dayli...
jansan 1 hour ago|||
The EU again is all talk and no action on this topic. 84% said in a poll to get rid of it back in 2018, parliament voted to end it by 2021. But here we are at the end of 2026 turning the clocks back again. Next march same thing. Honestly at this point I don't think it will ever happen, they will still be "discussing"it in 2040.
leipert 1 hour ago|||
Actually “only” Germany voted back then. Like 3.79% of Germans voted. So that comes out to ~3.18M of 4.6M votes cast by Germans.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_18_...

tchalla 1 hour ago|||
That’s the downside of EU decision making.
echoangle 1 hour ago||
> and worsening mental state

How would something that has been in effect for at least 60 years still lead to a worsening mental state over time?

wiseowise 1 hour ago|||
Yeah, because humans existed for only 60 years.
echoangle 1 hour ago||
Well most people haven't existed for 60 years. Where I'm from, DST was introduced 110 years ago and people still complain. When will the worsening mental state reach equilibrium? Or is there maybe a chance that the worsening mental state isn't due to DST?
thendrill 55 minutes ago|||
Daylight saving time: an American Academy of Sleep Medicine position statement

https://aasm.org/advocacy/position-statements/daylight-savin...

The transition from daylight saving time to standard time leads to depressions https://clin.au.dk/display/artikel/the-transition-from-dayli...

zombot 1 hour ago||
WTF. They should abolish DST.
F3nd0 1 hour ago|
Why?
mrweasel 1 hour ago|||
I don't know it this will be the case for Cuba, as it's somewhat differently placed on the map, but Russia tried DST only and had to switch to standard time and then stayed there.

Some people absolutely loves DST for some reason, but it creates stress and mental problems for people, especially in the north. The long mornings are somehow worse than the short evenings. Technically it shouldn't matter what the clock shows, but when society insists on things happening at a certain time, whether or not the sun is out becomes important.

For the Russian case see: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-28423647

paganel 1 hour ago||
> especially in the north

We don't care about the people living in the North, there are more of us living not in North and as we live in a democracy (the EU) the majority vote should cound on this.

mrweasel 23 minutes ago||
But I do live in the North and in the EU... I care a create deal about not being stress and depressed.

It is actually an issue and in some sense I think there is a case to be made for a timezone split between northern Europe and southern Europe. So e.g. putting Scandinavia in UTC +1 and Spain and Italy in UTC +2. Where we draw the line is tricky, because I doubt that nether France or Germany would want two timezones.

paganel 15 minutes ago||
> But I do live in the North and in the EU... I care a create deal about not being stress and depressed.

I understood that and I genuinely sympathise with the daylight-related syndromes people up there in the North have to deal with, but you also have to understand that further South we also become depressed if the Sun comes down too early, especially in the summer. So from an utility and democracy point of view the wellbeing of the majority (and the vote of said majority) should take prevalence over the wellbeing of the minority.

skeledrew 50 minutes ago||||
Because it's generally senseless, and particularly for them even more so given their location.
oddIdentities 1 hour ago|||
Because DST is the wrong time; if you look at the legal implementation of DST, most countries carve out exceptions for fields where lying about the time can obviously lead to death and destruction - navigation being perhaps the main one.

What everyone missed is that DST could itself lead to much greater loss of life than we might have lost had the use of DST been mandated all the way through to e.g. large naval, air or spacecraft.

And as research into DST continues, this seems to have been not merely an abstract possibility was missed, but _the actual outcome_. DST is quite literally killing people by the thousands.

aaron695 1 hour ago|
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