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Posted by Tiberium 12 hours ago

Binance-hacker-1029 – $5.6B stolen from Binance(arkm.com)
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darkwi11ow 12 hours ago|
The hack is publicized for at least a hour, but from reporting I saw they still continue to drain funds as for now. I wonder why large CEX do not have any safety measures for this kind of hacks, they could withdraw everything to newly generated wallets and minimize damage that way. It is certainly not the first time CEX wallets get hacked.
drum55 12 hours ago||
You don’t even have to do that, have deposits go to offline keys directly, that way there’s only ever cold > hot wallet movement and a big deposit can’t cause your hot wallet to be too risky.
darkwi11ow 12 hours ago|||
The point of cold wallet is to minimize movements, if there is high frequency of funds moved from a wallet then it is likely can not be called cold any more. Plus CEX in any case still needs to have large buffer of funds on some wallet to support day trading.
nostrademons 11 hours ago||
You can move money into a crypto wallet without that wallet needing to do anything, or being online at all, or even having a private key that physically exists anywhere in the universe. It's just a public/private keypair; send it to the public key of a private key that's offline and it still exists on the blockchain, you just can't do anything until the matching private key comes online.

The point of a cold wallet is to keep the private key physically offline. That way you know it cannot be stolen by electronic means, because the physical device containing the key needed to authorize transactions is locked up and not powered on. Then you only power it on during very specific, audited times and conditions when it's needed to fund the hot wallet, which does all the actual automated trading and transfers.

GP's point is to have all incoming transactions to an exchange go to a cold wallet, which becomes a one-way sink, and then periodically the exchange powers up the cold wallet to sign transactions transferring assets to the hot wallet, which then funds all outgoing transactions. This isn't a bad architecture, though I'm not sure it'd save all that much here.

bombcar 10 hours ago|||
I was taking it that your bitcoin bank would have a SHTF lever that would immediately dump ALL your hot wallets into an offline cold-wallet.

Then when things calm down you go and find ... the keys under the birdbath are lost, and you're fucked in a different way.

But at least it might work.

idlewords 8 hours ago||
Until the SHTF lever was hacked to divert all hot wallets into somebody else's cold wallet
AlienRobot 9 hours ago|||
The words you are using are very confusing.

You can't "move money into an offline crypto wallet that is not online at all."

If "money" i.e. crypto "currency" is in a crypto "wallet" then it is online. Anyone with the key and an Internet connection can transfer it at any time.

The wording is confusing because to someone who doesn't know how cryptocurrencies work it sounds like you can simply "take the crypto offline and put it into a physical device" as if it was a file. But that's not how it works. The physical key merely contains the actual key for the always-online wallet.

nostrademons 8 hours ago|||
It's true that anyone with the key and an Internet connection can move money out of a crypto wallet at any time, but the point of the cold wallet is that they don't get the key because it's kept on a computer (or other storage medium) that is physically offline and disconnected from the Internet. Same reason government intelligence agencies use a SCIF for any important information work: you keep the information physically disconnected from the Internet.
thereforegrin 3 hours ago|||
of course you can move crypto currency to an offline wallet and by offline I mean its private key is held in some physical form/device that is not connected to the network.

Only spending from that wallet needs online access to private key - depositing to it does not.

lxgr 10 hours ago|||
For a large CEX like Binance, $5B might just qualify as a hot wallet.
vessenes 11 hours ago|||
There are lots of measures in place at these exchanges - the rub is that cold storage is by design slow. To service withdrawal requests in a timely fashion a percent is kept “warm” or hot and used to process withdrawals. Usually this is where the leaks happen.
moralestapia 6 hours ago||
Yeah, they should have a way to move all funds into a new wallet so guys like this one don't have to go one by one ...
nomilk 1 hour ago||
Interestingly, this 18,270 BTC Binance theft is only "the largest crypto theft on record" when measured in USD. In terms of pure BTC, it's not even close to the 2011-14 Mt. Gox loss of ~850,000 BTC!
stingraycharles 1 hour ago|
Yes but that’s irrelevant as Mt Gox would not have had 850k BTC in their wallet at current valuations.
nomilk 1 hour ago||
Measuring the size of the heist in USD is convenient but arbitrary, as what was stolen was predominantly Stablecoins, BTC and ETH. So it makes more sense to measure the heist in Stablecoins, BTC and ETH. But that doesn't create as exciting a headline, as the BTC component was almost 50x smaller than the Mt. Gox heist!
tgtweak 11 hours ago||
CZ saying it is confirmed, and that he expects accountholders to be made fully whole... I guess you can do that when 2.8BN is frozen by centralized stablecoins.

[1] https://x.com/CZ_BINANCE/STATUS/2115915423174853077

mcmcmc 9 hours ago||
CZ the money laundering guy who bought a pardon from Trump right? He should still be in prison, still crazy Binance survived that whole scheme.
baobabKoodaa 5 hours ago||
You see, he's no longer running Binance or participating in its operation in any capacity, per their deal with the Trump admin / Justice department. He's tweeting about this hack as a civilian, offering personal guarantees to Binance customers out of the goodness of his heart!
TZubiri 6 hours ago||
>CZ saying it is confirmed, and that he expects accountholders to be made fully whole

Sure you can print USD to make it all magically go away

But it would be very convenient if there's some experimental token of which a majority was stolen, so that irreversible damage was caused. If the token is experimental it could have a low damage, but could demonstrate the irreversible nature of these types of attacks, returning fiat money doesn't waive the issue away.

There's also the fact of funding criminal networks for billions of dollars, which probably causes them to scale cyber or non cyber operations or otherwise gain power.

vldszn 12 hours ago||
Polymarket also reported a security incident: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50295883
bitlad 2 hours ago||
The hack seems to be via engineers laptop.

This attack vector has become so common and funny.

In one scenario, i remember a company got hacked because an engineer downloaded a RAT package on company laptop during fake interview and asked him to keep it running for days as part of the interview process while they stole the data.

lz400 58 minutes ago||
Can we close the crypto experiment now? it's already proven useless, full of the worst people in the world, only used by criminals and politicians and it has already fulfilled its purpose: to justify the complications of the traditional financial system as necessary
febusravenga 50 minutes ago|
Worst people of the world are happy with it, why should they abandon such great tool to do what they want to do?
jameson 9 hours ago||
I find it odd that people put "decentralized" currency into a centralized wallet
razemio 4 hours ago||
It is this time of the year again. I always write the same. HN is not regular people. For a high percentage, CEX wallets are the safer option. There are 1-10 topics of people who are not able to access their wallet anymore each day on r/bitcoin alone. There have been hardware wallets hacks on mass. On an exchange like kraken, coinbase, bitstamp or Binance there is a high chance you wont loose your money, even after a hack. You have apps that work out of the box to watch your investment. You can easily go back to fiat. Most of them now also support tax reporting.
bdcravens 7 hours ago|||
Because no one cares about the nerdy stuff, they just want Lambos
Sopel 8 hours ago||
because crypto is just an excuse to speculate in an unregulated market
melenaboija 6 hours ago||
How in the freakin world could $6B disappear into a regulated banking system without leaving a trail?

I guess at some point they'll have to cash out. Seems hard to spend $6B in vape shops.

mcintyre1994 2 hours ago||
From the BBC’s Lazarus Group reporting, they mostly seem to launder the money they steal through casinos in unregulated jurisdictions.
joeguilmette 5 hours ago||
North Korea
4ggr0 3 hours ago||
tell me how NK woould steal 6B, or any money, with a virtual hack, from a bank. not by going in there guns blazing.
Reason077 2 hours ago|||
They were at this long before crypto. Look up "Bangladesh Bank robbery", for example, where NK hackers attempted to steal almost $1 billion from the Bangladesh central bank in 2016 (and were partially successful).
dewey 2 hours ago|||
Did you follow the news at all about crypto heists? This is very common and well known.
K0IN 11 hours ago||
wait, someone took the stealmybitcoin.com poc code to the next level!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50224916

jwpapi 11 hours ago|
Damn sorry my ai slopped.

Need to get better in prompting

miohtama 10 hours ago|
It would be hilarious if this was caused by man-in-the-middle or BGP/DNS compromise because of eMudhra.

Binance wallet 16 came online in 2021.

Why to wait 5 years to attack.

hollowturtle 10 hours ago||
LLMs. This month has been very busy
pajamasam 4 hours ago||
Maybe a stolen wallet?
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